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Author: Zero
Date: 2007-08-07 06:27
im refurbishing a r-13, and im looking to buy new keys for it, so im wondering if theres any difference between a r-13's keywork and key material (how its made, what kind of material) and a e11's. the r-13 keys i have not are silver plated, looking to get silver plated e-11 keys.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-07 10:11
Most keys on an E11 and R13 are made from single piece castings soldered to key barrels, but on the current E11 there are keys with touchpieces soldered onto the key arms such as the side Eb/B and F# key, and the LH levers instead of being cast in a single form.
If you want to buy keys for an R13, buy keys for an R13 and not an E13 as the pillars on both clarinets are in slightly different positions and distances.
Can't you just have the R13 keys replated after tidying them all up? It'll be much more economical than replacing all the keys.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-08-07 11:55
Chris P wrote:
> If you want to buy keys for an R13, buy keys for an R13 and not
> an E13 as the pillars on both clarinets are in slightly
> different positions and distances.
In looking at Buffet replacement keys at Windcraft https://www.windcraft.co.uk/
they list the keywork for R13/RC/E13/C12 as interchangeable...GBK
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-07 12:09
The E13 and C12 bottom joint F#/C#, E/B and F/C keys are different to the R13.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2007-08-07 13:54
>"The E13 and C12 bottom joint F#/C#, E/B and F/C keys are different to the R13".<
The sliver (banana) key on the Lower-Joint on E13, C12 has different shape, length etc. This key will not fit an R13. The keys Chris mentioned are mounted higher on E13, C12. Why do you think pro instruments have cutouts under RH pinky keys? So, the posts (pillars) are taller on E13, C12.
You also might have a problem fitting a register key from RC to R13 as the tone hole on RC is 2mm higher.
Basically the keys are not interchangeable. Even the keys from the same model are required some degree of modification.
Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-08-08 00:56
I definitely agree that replating is the way to go. It's amazingly inexpensive compared to replacing the keys. Of course, you will be funding an overhaul at the same time, but I assume this is a clarinet you value or you would not be considering the key replacements.
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Author: Zero
Date: 2007-08-08 02:34
well the reason i cant get them plated is that nobody does that here. i woul dhave to ship it overseas to get done. but i tried asking a friend and he recommended me somewhere, so ill try there. thanks, everybody that replied.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2007-08-08 23:02
You're in the same boat (no pun intended) as everyone else - just about everyone ships their keys to Anderson for plating. Of course, they want only the parts you want plated (they don't want the body), and the prep work to get the keys ready for plating is crucial - you would usually get a tech familiar with having keys plated to do that part.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-09 00:13
How much experience have you got in rebuilding clarinets and fitting replated keywork or new keys? It's not a job to take on lightly if you don't have access to the right facilities.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-08-09 02:14
I am still wondering the point of replating at all. It only looks a little better and if the clarinet has enough key wear for you to think about replating it's probably really old. Getting a new instrument might be more wise in the long run.
PS. Chris- was that question for me?
Post Edited (2007-08-09 02:15)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-09 10:40
It was aimed at Zero, but thanks for your answer Skygardner. But before having any plating work done it's best to tidy up the keys and other metal parts - any wear can be smoothed down or if excessive, it can be filled and plating will cover up the repaired areas.
Depending on the condition of the clarinet it'll probably cost as much to replate and overhaul an R13 as it is to buy a used one, but if it's a clarinet you like and would want to use for several years to come, and if you can do the work yourself, then there's no reason not to go ahead.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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