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Author: Phurster
Date: 2007-07-13 01:20
I was searching the archives recently when I came upon a reference to the Saint-Saens Sonata. In a posting from 1997 (001072.txt) Gary Young claims that Saint-Saens, on a visit to Wisconsin, heard the University marching band rehearsing. The tune they were playing was "On Wisconsin !". This tune Saint-Saens apparently used as the theme of his 1st mvt.
Can anyone confirm this story?
In "The Clarinet" (Vollume31, Number 1,p77) There is an article about the Russian Clarinetist Vladimir Sokolov. He talks about the origin of the first piece of Stavinsky's Three pieces. He says the piece is from an ole Russian folk song called "Ha-ay Uhnem" which was sung by barge haulers on the Volga.
Does anyone know of any other pieces of the repertoire that have interesting origins?
Chris O.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-07-13 02:04
I seem to recall some of Gilbert&Sullivan's tunes with quite familiar melodies, such as Hail, Hail, The Gangs All Here, Pinafore? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-07-13 10:20
A number of classic and romantic composers got themes from American movies. Wow, Saint-Saens in Wisconsin.....Say Cheese
Bob Draznik
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-07-15 18:42
Don Berger wrote,
>>I seem to recall some of Gilbert&Sullivan's tunes with quite familiar melodies, such as Hail, Hail, The Gangs All Here, Pinafore? Don
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"Hail, Hail, The Gang's All Here" is the tune for a chorus of pirates in Act 2 of "The Pirates of Penzance." The policemen hide in wait with the intention of arresting the pirates. Then the pirates enter "With cat-like tread" (usually loud stomping) as they "never speak a word" to give themselves away (whereupon they burst into song). The pirates intend to burgle the Major General's house for revenge, because they've found out that the Major General avoided pirate capture earlier by lying that he's an orphan.
The chorus:
> Come, friends, who plough the sea,
> Truce to navigation,
> Take another station;
> Let's vary piracee
> With a little burglaree!
Lelia
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Post Edited (2007-07-15 18:44)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-07-15 19:25
TKS, LL, a bit at "sea"?, Old memories of yester years. What was that , it was the cat ? Pinafore, in Little Butterfly [familiar tune?], my humorous clarinet echos, made us all laugh! Is "A Wandering Minstrel" familiar to anyone, or others like Objects all Sublime, Dickeybird etc, etc? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2007-07-15 22:36
I believe that the Saint Seans clarinet sonata was written in his last days as part of a project to provide some much needed literature for neglected instruments. He worked with a clarinet prof to make the piece idiomatic; and attended to a couple other sonatas at about the same time.
I don't know where he got his thematic material.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-07-15 23:48
"Not clarinet specific, but Mahler ripped off Disney, and Berlioz had the poor taste to rip off a straight-to-video Disney sequel. :P"
Yeah, just like those scoundrel plagiarists Mendelssohn and Ravel ripping off andrewlloyd-webber. Oh yeah, it's SIR andrewlloyd-webber.
I wonder if Brotherhood of Man, David Gates and Andy Williams have sued Khatchaturian for nicking his 'Adagio of Spartacus and Phrygia' from 'Save Your Kisses', 'Everything I Own' and 'Can't Take My Eyes Off You'?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-07-16 11:27
A 19th century composer could have his wand, oops, I mean his baton broken for failing to write at least one thing in either Dorian mode or the key of Devil-minor including a quotation from the Dies Irae.
Lelia
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Author: kilo
Date: 2007-07-16 17:45
I can't prove it, but I notice a striking similarity between Dvorak's "Going Home" section of the New World Symphony and the song of the White-throated Sparrow. It's the interval of a major third, the root sounds once, the higher note is repeated twice. Later the pattern is raised a fifth and I've often noticed that two White-throats will also repeat this pattern. I've also read that when in the USA Dvorak liked to sit up in the evening and listen to the sound of birdsong at twilight; he would certainly have heard these clear melodies if there were any White-throats in the area.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-07-16 21:40
A fascinating thot, Kilo, I have always "attributed" Goin' Home to a Afro-Am spiritual, but it sure could have begun from a W-B Sparrow !! As such, to me its in a "ballad" format, 8mA, 8mA', 8mB, 8mA", but I know little of "types" !Wish I could have played it [EH] in my "oboe daze". Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Tony Beck
Date: 2007-07-17 05:33
Speaking of African Americans, I understand that the finale of Saint-Sean’s second piano concerto was inspired by Louis Moreau Gottschalk’s “Grand Tarantella”, which was inspired by the music and dancing of African slaves in the squares of pre-Civil War New Orleans.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-07-18 13:20
Re. "The Gang's All Here," I'm sure I've heard that somewhere else besides "Pirates of Penzance." Is it possible that "The Gang's All Here" is not the original song and that it's a tune lifted from an earlier opera? Or did an opera composer lift the popular song? I've got this image of marching, with a male chorus.
Lelia
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-07-18 14:09
Hi [again], Lelia I "Googled" Hail, got a number of hits, didn't go much beyond Wikipedia, which gives credit to Sullivan, P of Penz, Act II, words by Estron, "lifted" by Morse for Fred Astaire' s popularization. Take a look, there may be more info, ?mis/. Its a "pretty-simple" tune !, not the complexities of Stardust, Misty, etc?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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