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Author: Stephen
Date: 2000-07-28 03:19
I have a question that maybe some of you can answer. I just Got off of BG's web site. They sell a clarinet ligature called the metal traditional. It claims that the gold plating has a richer sound than the silver plating. From what I know they are the EXACT same thing except for the fact that one is silver plated and one is gold plated. I do not see how the plating on a ligature can produce a richer sound, as it claims to do! Does anyone know how this could actully help give a richer tone! Thanks you for your time!
Sincerely,
Stephen
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Author: Nicko
Date: 2000-07-28 09:52
Gold is claimed to vibrate easier than silver plating. I have tried both the silver and gold BG's and I bought the silver one because they were so similar. But I since have gone off metal ligatures and I found the BG standard leather ligature to give me the darkest and fullest sound. The super Revelation one seems to be very bright because it has the gold plated metal insterted down the middle. Hope this helps.
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Author: Brandon
Date: 2000-07-28 11:25
I play on the gold plated lig. I tried it and a Peter Spriggs and just thought the BG suited my playing better. I think the gold is different, but worth the extra money? Order both and try them out. Don't take my word for it. Only you know how you want to sound.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-07-28 11:57
Ligatures vary from one to another of the exact same model; I think the addition of a few microns worth of gold plating isn't going to do anything audible. But they do look nice.
Don't you find it strange that it always seems the more expensive the metal, the better it's supposed to sound? That gold plating adds a few cents worth of material to the overall value of the ligature.
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Author: William
Date: 2000-07-28 12:53
Gold impresses or people wouldn't wear so much jewelry. I had the keys on one of my R-13s gold plated a few years ago and you all would be surprised at the number of people (including my old university clarinet teacher) asked me how the plating improved the sound. Of course, it doesn't--it's just for "show." Looks great though.
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Author: Graham Elliott
Date: 2000-07-28 15:36
Keywork, ligatures etc. all look better once the plating has worn off. They feel good too. The keywork blends better with the body of the clarinet, particularly when the verdigris starts to gather. The effect is subtle and varied, and you need never worry again about whether its wearing off under your sweaty fingers.
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Author: Sara
Date: 2000-07-28 18:24
I bouth a BG super relevation withtht green down the middle, and i don't think tha it sounds bright with my V12s, in fact I think it sounds smooth and liquidy, but on the other hand with the regular Vandorens in the blue box, it does sound incredible bright. i think it was well worth money.
Sara
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Author: Stephen
Date: 2000-07-28 20:20
I currently play on BG's Special fabric super revelation with stength 4, V12 vandoren reeds and it sounds great. Marks 1st answer seems to be the best one one the list!
Thanks,
Stephen
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Author: Sara
Date: 2000-07-29 02:28
I play the same ligature but with V12 3's. With a B45 a great sound, even though my old music teacher who was like 90 said i should be ussing 2 1/2 reeds when I was at the time using 3.5's. But i'm thinking about getting a Greg smith mouthpiece, i though it might help my playing out!
Sara
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Author: Ken
Date: 2000-07-29 18:23
My setup: Bb/A Leblanc Opus/silver plated, Rheuben Allen's inter-change-a-bore reverse taper barrel (heavy wall), a stock Borbeck #11 piece (ordered from Bob at home, NOT the B-45 blanks he sells retail), and a Winslow 2N lig tan felt pads on V-12 4's. I played on the Winslow for over eight years (swing jazz/dixieland/classical) and was recently turned-on to the metal "BG Gold Traditional". For me there was a sharp contrast from the very first note. Improved overall pitch throughout all three registers, a darker, richer, yet softer and more resonant, centered tone. A bit more forgiving breaking in reeds, increased responsiveness, more flexibility over the break and noticeably more free blowing. Dynamic range was wider, pps were quieter/more controlled and ffs were fuller without going flat. I freelance for a living/private teach 25 years and it's proving the "right tool for the right job" in my case, worth every penny! I'd also suggest when considering equipment changes, record yourself on the spot if possible, before and after and let the tape tell the tale. Our ears play tricks on us all the time. <:-)
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Author: Eoin McAuley
Date: 2000-07-31 14:44
Be very careful when comparing ligatures that you don't move the reed at all while changing the ligature.
I normally use the BG Revelation ligature with my Vandoren B45 mouthpiece and Vandoren 2.5 reeds. It gives a lovely rounded tone. I tried the BG gold-plated ligature. It gives a good sound and much louder than my leather ligature. Whether the gold plating is anything to do with this I don't know. I would buy the thing except that it looks awful with my silver-plated keys.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-07-31 22:34
Eoin McAuley wrote:
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Be very careful when comparing ligatures that you don't move the reed at all while changing the ligature.
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I would suggest that this be phrased as "don't unknowingly move the reed." The reed/ligature/mouthpiece must be evaluated as a system. This means that each combination could conceivably require a different reed position to get the optimum results. Ideally you want to compare each combo at its optimum setting. This may mean moving the reed to find that optimum. However this must be done knowingly and the results very carefully compared.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-06-06 00:23
I've tried out on my Grabner(Zinner based) mouthpieces Super revolution, Standard and Metal and only the Standard leather fith the mouthpieces easily the Metal didn't fit at all and the Super revolution did fit but not very easily and after about 4-6 months of using it it broke. Now I own the Standard leather one and I really love it. It's dark but very vibrate. I also own the Vandoren leather ligature and I love the metal instert way far best but it's a little bit too bright and loud but the BG Standard have similary idea as the metal insert of the Vandoren only in fabric matrial.
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Author: musiciandave
Date: 2007-06-06 12:45
I have both ligatures and prefer the silver over the gold. I like the way that the gold looks more. They do sound and feel differently. I would say that the gold has less projection than the silver. Not a huge difference, but a sensitive player can tell the difference microns or not.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2007-06-06 12:51
I use the BG ligatures and think they are fantastic..staccatto is much easier for me on the BG ligs and therefore they are a great choice..they also afford a centred sound and allow for micro adjustments as well.
David Dow
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-06-06 16:46
Tried the Super Revelation versus the Vandoren Leather with metal plate - no comparison, the Vandoren allows much more resonance and projection.
Sorry.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: kuteclar
Date: 2007-06-06 17:28
I play on the silver traditional.
Again, I agree we are talking microns of difference between the gld and silver. I chose the silver over gold because I thought the gold at the time had a bit stuffier tone - the silver had a nice, round sound, very easy staccatto tonguing, better projection, and then finally, cost less. I used the Revelation prior and had some trouble tonguing. Since going back and trying the Revelation, it has not been as big of an issue, but it does have a brighter, more ringy sound. I like the consistant/even sound of my Silver Trad.
But, you will get different sounds with different setups; just order and try a bunch.
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Author: sherman
Date: 2007-06-06 20:51
I use no ligature and have found that my ipswick bec 3 needs nothing with which to fasten the reed. It adheres with perfection. One needs only to make certain that the reed immediately grabs the bec 3, similar to a Venus fly trap grabbing a fly. When this occurs, one needn't worry. Incidentally this ligature comes without silver, or if you prefer gold plating. They can be obtained on 5d of the Montreal General Hospital.
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Author: hans
Date: 2007-06-08 13:29
After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that it is waste of time to practise when all I need to do to improve my playing is have my ligature plated with rhodium.
Hans
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