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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-05-16 12:49
Hi anyone have any experiences with these pads? They are made by Woodwind co in Manchester. Sorry can't remember the actual name of the inventor. I was thinking of having my pads replaced due to what happen in a gig a few weeks back. I was playing V.W. Sea Symphony and the c pad bottom joint completely swelled unabling me to play a decent B etc. Luckly i was able to adujust the screw to get it work reasonably. ( Also thankful the 1st bassoon had a screw driver in the middle of the concert). I've neaver experienced leather pads to swell like that and could only put it down the the extreme hot weather we had the weekend.
If anyone is playing on these i would welcolme your thoughts and impressions.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-05-16 15:20
Eddie Ashton is the name you're looking for.
I haven't played an instrument with them fitted, though I have seen several bassoons with them.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2007-05-16 15:41
Don't ask repariman how he thinks Superpads works ask other players. My experience is that "all"(many) repairmens say that something else is better praticulary what they self do and have to offer. Also mouthpiece craftsmen also claim that their product is better than others and I've had that experience many times.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-05-16 15:46
All manufacturers (of anything and everything you can think of) will make claims on how their products are the best.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2007-05-16 15:47)
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Author: donald
Date: 2007-05-16 20:57
aaaahhh pads swelling, pad skins buzzing.... problems i haven't experienced in years and years... because i have the (apparently wicked and evil) Valentino pads.
donald
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2007-05-16 21:29
cigleris,
You could also try a skin pad with a rivet in the middle, sort of like a saxophone resonater. That will totally eliminate the problem you had. The metal rivet does NOT change the sound in any way.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2007-05-16 22:49
"You could also try a skin pad with a rivet in the middle, sort of like a saxophone resonator. That will totally eliminate the problem you had."
I don't think so....
If a felt-based pad somehow (from porosity or puncture of the covering) absorbs moisture, then the felt swells, unless it is designed or treated to resist the phenomenon.
If it swells, then the "back" will close before the front touches the tone hole (unless excessive finger pressure is applied) and any linkage involved will be thrown out of adjustment. (Consider that a good technician makes these adjustments to an accuracy something around to the nearest 0.01 mm 0.004")
A rivet in the CENTRE of a pad will not prevent the swelling in the vicinity of the sealing circle.
The problem with the pad in question is that it somehow absorbed moisture. If the pads are of high quality and in good condition, and the player carries out normal swabbing procedures, and does not lie the clarinet down with tone holes lowermost, then that does no really happen.
Donald, there are at least two types of Valentino pad, and they each come (came?) with both self-adhesive backs and plain cardboard backs. Your comments may be valid for one type, appropriately installed, but are too general to be valid for all Valentinos, especially considering different climates and environments that different instruments operate under.
There are other situations where at least some types of Valentino are inappropriate.
One is on clarinets with venting adjustment is restricted by design (LeBlancs/Noblets?) and deep seating may affect effective venting, which on these models is critical. (Valentinos tend to develop deep seats.)
Another is where a key cup is not sufficiently concentric to the tone hole for a smaller diameter pad to be used Valentinos are restricted to smaller diameter than bladder pads, because they do not overflow the key cup edge.
Yet another is where the tone hole edge is of a large diameter relative to the key cup size, and a requirement is a pad with sufficient diameter to cover the key cup edge. This is common for articulated G#, but also exists elsewhere on some clarinets, eg the F# ring key.
If synthetic pads are being considered, may I suggest that these issues are possibly/probably best addressed by using Omni pads.
http://www.krausmusic.com/miscinfo/nap2006.pdf
(Kraus sells only to technicians)
Post Edited (2007-05-16 22:50)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2007-05-17 01:59
I want to mention the wonderful "standard" felt/bladder pads that come standard on the Yamaha CSG. Though I have not had a torn pad yet to see for myself what may or may not happen with swelling, they are much flatter than standard felt/bladder pads and have plasitc buttons at the center. At least as a result of their unusually flat configuration, they seal like no other pad I've ever used except for cork.
Here's what Mike Lutely of Yamaha says about them:
2. The "button' pads where the result of experiments to improve the sound of the already-excellent Lucien Deluxe pads---the button has 2 functions: first, it helps minimize the skins' tendency to buzz together---in general, the pads are mostly buzz free. Second, the nylon button seems to add a nice character and life to the tone---we tried metal buttons, but settled on the nylon for sound reasons. Each button is handset and glue-sealed into position.
............Paul Aviles
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