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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-05-10 14:07
"I found it fascinating, especially the raised toneholes?? not sure thats the correct term."
That's fine.
Inserted toneholes look very similar, but the manufacturing process is different.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-05-10 14:13
It's not really that the tone holes are raised, but more like everything else is lowered! 
By the way, this manufacturing film is a part of the Buffet DVD which includes mainly a very good documentery film about a French clarinetist (forgot his name, sorry) who climbed a snowy mountain in France (I think the highest mountain in Europe) to play his Greenline clarinet at the top at about -20 degrees.
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Author: rsholmes
Date: 2007-05-10 14:17
That's the problem with contrabass clarinets, they're no good at all for mountaineering.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-05-10 15:33
> That's the problem with contrabass clarinets, they're no good at all for
> mountaineering.
Bah. Just replace the bell with an ice pick head...
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Ben
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Author: donald
Date: 2007-05-11 00:36
who cares about mountaineering, i want a clarinet i can take surfing! i can busk out back in the line up, i wonder how much those old longboarders will pay me for stranger on the shore....
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2007-05-12 16:20
On a serious note, I want a new Buffet Greenline horn made so that the upper and lower joints are one solid piece, with no joint in the middle. I'll twist the bell on, and the barrel, but that's it. And of course, a case to suit.
My dream clarinet. I wonder if it feasible key-wise, and not priced beyond the moon?
B/
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2007-05-12 18:30
the scene at the end made me sick!!
the woman who putted a lot of stuff above the clarinetkeywork and closed the case. that may explain why one need to adjust every clarinet that comes from the BC factory!! :P
and didn't it sound like some of the lowest pads where leaking on the backgroundmusic? the b(suppose it was, sounded like the b uses to...) was making a whole lot of noice. like my old r13 when it was ready for an overhaul!!
or am i totaly of track here?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-05-12 21:09
"On a serious note, I want a new Buffet Greenline horn made so that the upper and lower joints are one solid piece, with no joint in the middle. I'll twist the bell on, and the barrel, but that's it. And of course, a case to suit.
My dream clarinet. I wonder if it feasible key-wise, and not priced beyond the moon?"
I don't see why not - Buffet used to make one piece full Boehms back in the day, and the only reason why wooden clarinets are jointed is for economy if the top joint splits. It's only the top joint that needs replacing instead of a whole body joint.
So there's no real reason why a Greenline clarinet can't be made with a one-piece body - it'll be much stronger than a two-piece one as there's no middle tenon which is the weakest part of the clarinet body - especially plastic and composite clarinets. Do away with the middle tenon and you have a stronger instrument.
And an adjusting screw for the long Bb link - you don't have to make sure it's all lined up each time, and a screw adjustment here would be much better.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: musiciandave
Date: 2007-05-12 21:19
That video will probably be short lived on the site if Buffet gets wind of it as it's Buffet's property.
The poster "lifted it".
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2007-05-12 21:22
i think i have seen that video around for some time. so its probably very hard to stop it.
and why trying when its a great and free way of advertising!!!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2007-05-12 23:45
pelo_ensortijado wrote:
> and why trying when its a great and free way of advertising!!!
Because it's theft unless you ask.
"Geez, that's a great looking Ferrari! I'll hot-wire it and drive it around town for a while. No one should mind - it's great advertising!"
Just because it's not "real property*" doesn't make the theft any different.
* tangible
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-05-13 00:05
The problem these days is that such "documents" (in a broad sense) are "leaked on purpose" by whomever is the owner of a product.
Klingon Inc (to take a fictional manufacturer) has a booth at a Snake Oil Show and gives away CDs containing some video. Even my Grandma got one. Now some dude posts that on YewTelly and all the lawyers at Klingon's get molto agitato and stir a big hubbub and sue the poster and all that, and after enough press coverage they settle the dispute off-court. Mission accomplished.
IOW - don't post a video unless the originating company pays you. Else you're just the cheap idiot to help them with a marketing campaign. Dishonest advertising? Morally, of course. Illegal? Unfortunately not. Just don't do it. You can only lose.
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Ben
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-05-13 06:29
Maybe Buffet knows about it and they just don't mind. Maybe the person who posted it did ask Buffet. It's been on YouTube for a few months already, and even if it is theft it doesn't mean Buffet have to stop it. They could possibly not even mind. By the way, not that it really matters but their DVD with this video is free.
Bruno wrote:
> On a serious note, I want a new Buffet Greenline horn made so that the
> upper and lower joints are one solid piece, with no joint in the middle.
> I wonder if it feasible key-wise, and not priced beyond the moon?
Chris P replied:
> I don't see why not - Buffet used to make one piece full Boehms back in
> the day, and the only reason why wooden clarinets are jointed is for
> economy if the top joint splits.
I disagree. There are other reasons why two joints is better than one. Sometimes opening the middle joint helps to play in tune, the shorter case is much more comfortable, and the alignment of the joints might be slightly different for some people (if the bridge key allows it). Also the reason you mentioned (for wood clarinets).
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2007-05-13 13:48
clarnibass wrote:
> Maybe Buffet knows about it and they just don't mind. Maybe the
> person who posted it did ask Buffet.
But it's theft without explicit permission, and I didn't see any 'redistribution by Buffet has been granted' notice. Whether Buffet minds or not.
I'm pointing out a rather cavalier attitude generally apparent about the theft of intellectual property along with rationalizations.
"They won't mind." "It's free advertising for them." "I don't make any money from it."
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2007-05-13 15:52
but why haven't they taken it away allready then?
the only reason i can think of is that they don't mind it beeing there. it IS great advertising and they haven't payed a nickle for it. so i can se why they don't!!!
i dont think youtube let anything illegal be on their severs. and if BC did tell them to take it away, they probably would.
conclusion: they want it to be there...
and any theories about them not knowing about it... no. i dont belive that!!!
mark charette: i DO se your point. it IS theft. and it shouldn't have been posted on the youtube at all. but it is there now. and nobody wants it to dissapear. so why argue about it?
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2007-05-13 19:47
What was amazing (to me) was to watch the graceful handling of small parts with such precision and speed.
Using a Jeweler's bench to hold the body while assembling keys is clever.
Funny that I didn't see the stock footage of a search for the pivot screw that has rolled onto the floor...
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-05-13 19:59
... or the expletives that followed when spiked by a needle spring or point screw!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-05-14 06:29
> i DO se your point. it IS theft. and it shouldn't
> have been posted on the youtube at all.
I don't think anyone here really knows for a fact that it was theft, and when I got permission to use something copyrighted I didn't put a "redistribution by ***** has been granted" notice so of course it's not possible to assume it is theft because this video doesn't have it. So maybe it's theft, maybe it's not, but it hasn't been removed for months....
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2007-05-14 11:34
clarnibass wrote:
> when I got permission to use something copyrighted I
> didn't put a "redistribution by ***** has been granted" notice
You should ask the copyright holder whether or not any notice is required. I've received permission to reprint many times, and have always been requested to or have offered to put a "reprinted by permission" notice on the works to disambiguate legal from illegal copies. If I put a "reprinted by permission" notice on my pages then I know I have the rights needed and can prove it. It's come in handy a couple of times.
As services like YouTube and others explode in popularity the legal system slowly expands to include them in the copyright system. In the worst case, the legal system causes the entire site to shut down because there's no way to control the submissions without incurring a lot of costs (like what happened to many MIDI sites a few years back).
A company I work with was just sued for including certain photographs on their web site. The web developers, no longer in business, copied the stock footage photographs (generic users, etc.) from other sites. The company that owned those pictures sued the web site owners for fees from day 1 the site went up plus damages. It was settled out of court. 7 pictures, $40K.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-05-14 11:59
I'd like to buy a legitimate DVD that shows the clarinet manufacturing process. Does anybody know the original source of the Buffet clip? Is there a feature-length version, or is this a shortie from a cable TV progam such as "How It's Made"?
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-05-14 12:07
Buffet reps distributed the DVD to retailers, as well as a book.
Though I have seen them listed for sale on you-know-where.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-05-14 15:42
Leila, you don't need to buy a legitimate DVD (I think). This is how I got my Buffet DVD - I tried to find this exact short film of how Buffet clarinets are made and couldn't find it (used to be on Buffet's website but not anymore it seems, and I forgot to search on YouTube...) so I emailed Buffet just asking if it possible to watch it online and where I can watch it. I received a reply that this film is a part of their DVD and I should just give them my address and they would send me the DVD. I did, and they did. Cost nothing.
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2007-05-15 12:20
The name of the movie that was circulating on the internet is buffetklarinet.wmv
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2007-05-15 16:50
Really this video is more an advertisement....it doesn't really explain how the clarinet is made...it rather shows parts of the process.
David Dow
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