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Author: Chalumeau Joe
Date: 2007-02-25 16:12
Robert Carree is acknowledged as being the father of the R-13, as most of us on this BB already know.
However, several references on the Web describe Carree as an "extremely talented 'luthier'." I thought luthier is a designator reserved only for makers of stringed instruments.
Carree was an obviously talented acoustician; however, it still surprises me that one of the world's greatest wind instruments was designed by a stringed instrument maker.
Is the R-13 considered to be Carree's greatest achievement? I'm curious about learning more of Carree's other contributions to the world of musical instruments. Any insights or references?
Joe
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-26 00:01
I always thought the word 'luthier' came from master lute makers, and subsequent fretted and bowed stringed instruments too, and can't see how the term can be applied to a woodwind maker, let alone an acoustician.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
Independent Woodwind Repairer
Single and Double Reed Specialist
Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-02-26 00:11
havne't you heard of the rare but not forgotten stringed alto clarinet. They tell me when you've played on it a few times, you get all strung out.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-02-26 14:18
I'm not too "strung out" that my alto has no strings. We A C players dont even take "bows" when we play the occasional solo well. Wikipedia seems to reserve "luthier" for stringed insts. plucked and bowed. I'll see if the word is in a big Webster as well. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-26 20:28
I know one word that rhymes with 'pluck' that definitely won't be found in Webster's!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
Independent Woodwind Repairer
Single and Double Reed Specialist
Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-02-27 00:35
Now Chris !! Out of a continuing interest re: Carree, Robert Victor, I looked for his US patents, all I found were on saxes. Since, as reported, he ?invented? a form of modified upper joint dimensioning, poly-cyl/conical/other? for the R13 in the early 1950's. There are a few US pats showing/claiming modified bores [can post them], some of which have cited ref's to Fr pats, no inv. names, tho. So, does anyone know of FR/DE pats to Carree [or really care like I do] . TKS, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Chalumeau Joe
Date: 2007-02-27 00:45
Don,
I care ...that's why I asked the question.
(Perhaps we're the only ones that care?)
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Author: kenb
Date: 2007-02-27 11:09
More distinguished offspring: the Buffet RC - 'RC' stands for Robert Caree
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Author: nickma
Date: 2007-02-27 21:51
'Luthier' in french is a term applied to woodwind repairmen/ technicians.
The word 'Pluck', Chris, is an Elizabethan term from the 16th century for a girl who has lost their virginity. As in 'methinks she hath been pluck'd'.
Nick
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-27 22:40
I'm saying nowt!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
Independent Woodwind Repairer
Single and Double Reed Specialist
Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
The opinions I express are my own.
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