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Author: joeyscl
Date: 2007-02-09 23:18
What is your level of playing ability (Education, years of playing) and the max speed you can pump out a steady sustained stream of 16th notes?
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2007-02-10 03:33
for how many bars? Cause obviously, it slows down as time progresses . . .
US Army Japan Band
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Author: joeyscl
Date: 2007-02-10 07:15
"*sustained* stream of 16th notes?"
well, maybe 8 bars?
me: on a good day, 128~132
me: on a USUAL DAY, 104+/- 10
this is my 8th year
Post Edited (2007-02-10 07:18)
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Author: William
Date: 2007-02-10 15:16
Assuming the quarter note gets the beat, sixteenth notes at 112 mm is my absolute speed limit. After years of study and practice, my tongue just will not go any faster. So, this afternoon during our symphonies performance of "The Planets", I will be double tonguing my visit to *Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity*--my only way to keep up with the principal and third clarinetists who can both single tongue those pesky repetitive sixteenths Gus wrote (and our young conductor who likes to conduct this at warp speed).
BTW, its my opinion that most of us are born with a certain athletic ability that enables rapid muscular action such as tonguing, finger trills, etc. Some have to learn to use this physical attributes--tongue/finger coordination, etc--but for others, it just comes naturally. Like our third clarinetist this afternoon whose main gig is playing tenor sax with a popular local rock band, Little Vito and the Torpedos, although a college clarinet major, he seldom plays his instruments except for occassional gigs with our orchestra. Yet, in spite of not maintaining a strict regimen of clarinet practice, he can easily single tongue all of his stay on *Jupiter* and says he could go faster if he had to. He said that he "learned" this tonguing skill in college and thinks of articulation more as tone production rather than tongue motion. But I think that he is one of those rare individuals that was born with an athletic ability that he learned to use--not one that he developed or created. Not all horses are born to win the Kentucy Derby, and not all clarinetist are born to tongue sixteenth notes ar warp speed. Some, like me, have to cheat a bit...........takatakataka ya'll.
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2007-02-10 15:44
william. i maybe have a suggestion for you because i have been there myself.
it IS possible to singletongue faster for you. yes, some people have an advantage in muscles ans stuff, but that is nothing that can't be overcomed with some work!!!
the thing that i have been focus on is to eliminate the unneccesarry space between the tongue and the mpc when doing those staccattos!! that makes it easier to put it back there with a smaller space between = faster 16thnotes!!!
don't know if that is your problem, but that IS a reasonable cause!!
(sorry for my bad english, hope you understand the point anyway)
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Author: nes
Date: 2007-02-12 00:23
1. How do you increase your tounguing speed. (not plural you)
2. How do you differenciate between your legato tunguing and staccatoing?
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Author: joeyscl
Date: 2007-02-12 00:27
1. How do you increase your tounguing speed. (not plural you)
- working on it
2. How do you differenciate between your legato tunguing and staccatoing?
- working on it
lol
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2007-02-12 03:55
I don't know exactly but I can say two things about my staccato speed.
1. It's slow.
2. It never stopped me for playing anything I wanted to play.
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Author: Gretchen
Date: 2007-02-12 14:22
1. how do you increase your speed?
by decreasing energy wasted when moving the tongue, ie. moving tongue away from the reed inbetween notes. The steadier the back of the tongue can stay (not moving) and the smaller movement the front of your tongue can make, the faster the tongue will go.
2. How do you differenciate between staccato and legato?
the technical version: For staccato, if you keep the tongue on the reed LONGER (stopping it from vibrating, though not stopping the air) the note will be shorter. For legato, if you just brush the tongue against the reed (barely stopping the vibrations) very quickly, the note will sound longer.
the musical version, JUST LISTEN to the quality of sound your articulation makes. if it's in the character of the music, than that's what it should be.
Gretchen
12 years and counting
Charleston Symphony, 2nd clar.
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