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 Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-04 09:42

I have a clarinet in my possession which I can't seem to identify. It has on it "made in france" stamped on the two main body parts.

The emblem "Symphonie artiste" in a circle is on the top joint and the bell only.

There no other identification. Bore size is small like s LeBlanc Symphonie.

Sorry about the pic right now. I have it apart inspecting the body.

http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem.jpg

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2006-11-04 13:31

Can you put a photo of the keys on here?

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-05 13:07

I put the clarinet back together .. here's some pics

http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem02.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem03.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem04.jpg

Thanks

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-05 13:13

coupe more with diff lighting (less glare) and less fuzzy

http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem05.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem06.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem07.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem08.jpg

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2006-11-05 13:38

(clickable links - to make link clickable, surround the adderss with < and >)

http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem02.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem03.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem04.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem05.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem06.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem07.jpg
http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem08.jpg

Hmmm... I'm thinking it's a Malerne as the pillars on the bottom joint have wide flanged bases and the key shapes look like Malerne, as well as the bell shape.

But the crank in the speaker key cup arm and raised speaker bush look like those seen on some Leblancs.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

Post Edited (2006-11-05 13:45)

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-05 20:48

IMHO There's nothing else on it though that reminds me of a Leblanc - not the tenon rings, keywork, etc.

But Malerne makes sense to me.

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-05 21:03

It looks like the Martin Busine I once had.
Do the 'long' keys have pivot screws or rods? (mine had rods even for the E/B key)

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Ben

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-06 10:04

Ben,
The long lower body keywork as pivot screws. Plus, weren't the Martins made in the US ? The body clearly has made in France on them ?

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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2006-11-06 10:31

Steve,

AFAIK "Martin Busine", "Martin Frères" and "Martin (Elkhart)" are completely unrelated. The former two come from France or at least Europe. There's a bunch of other Martians out there (Martineaux comes to mind, they seem to share at least the case mfgr. with Busine).

This stencilling business can be puzzling...maybe a company in Elbonia mills the joints, then they send them to France to stamp "France" on them, next station is Taiwan for the bell ring, ...

--
Ben

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2006-11-06 12:33

The Malerne clarinets seen in the UK are usually seen in the Selmer Console, Sterling and Gold Seal, Buisson and Howarth guise - though not to be confused with the pro Howarth clarinets which are made by Howarth (and some people think the Selmer (London) Sterling clarinets are made by Selmer.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

Post Edited (2006-11-06 12:35)

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Vytas 
Date:   2006-11-07 14:55
Attachment:  Malerne_Pro.JPG (75k)
Attachment:  Malerne_Stan..JPG (148k)

The hammer is being swung and swung hard.

This clarinet is made by SML. "Malerne" has Buffet like keys and made a lot of early Evettes for them.

Vytas Krass
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player


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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-09 00:30

was this SML Symphonie Artiste a pro, intermediate or entry level clarinet ?

It's needs a complete refurb and if it was a pro instrument I was thinking of getting the keywork/posts silverplated otherwise give it to a local school or something after bringing it up to snuff.

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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information

Post Edited (2006-11-09 02:09)

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Vytas 
Date:   2006-11-09 03:17

"Symphonie artiste" is a stencil name. SML haven't made any clarinets with this name. Judging from the pictures your clarinet is based on the later SML "5 star" model which was a student level clarinet. (the early SML "5 star" models were pretty good pro instruments). Check the connection of the left hand pinky keys. Is the linkage connected with a pin or just placed on the top of the left hand pinky keys?

Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player




Post Edited (2006-11-09 06:39)

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2006-11-09 05:56

From the photo http://www.saxmaniax.com/fs/emblem08.jpg it looks like the LH levers aren't pinned to the F#/C# and E/B keys.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: stevesklar 
Date:   2006-11-09 12:36

Correct, they are not pinned.

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 Re: Clarinet identification
Author: Vytas 
Date:   2006-11-09 20:27

Then it's a student level clarinet.

Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player




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