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Author: juan
Date: 2006-10-21 21:55
Heyy there. My name is juan I play on a concerto II. I have a really hard 16th notes tripplet passage that my tounge cant keep up with. Any suggestion?
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Author: William
Date: 2006-10-21 22:23
Triple tongue--Ta Ta Ka, Ta Ta Ka, etc.
Double--TaKa TaKa TaKa TaKa etc
These are multiple tonguing skills that are needed if your tongue is not fast. They are rountinly used by professionals world-wide. A little difficult to master, but worth the effort when you need them. However, if you can single tongue fast enought, that is always best.
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Author: Rhythmacres
Date: 2006-10-22 00:58
Lots of times people attack each note with a minute letdown in their breath (from the last note). Remember to keep the air moving forward through the clarinet, as if you were blowing a long tone.
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Author: Simon
Date: 2006-10-23 01:48
Hi all,
As I understand it single tongue is tonguing each note individually. I am really confused with the double or even tripple tongue. What is the Ka stand for, sorry my ignorance I am no pro and have the same problems as Juan. I can never work out double or tripple tongue. Please help.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-10-23 11:24
Ka is the sound you make further down the tongue against the pallet of your mouth, not the reed. This is harder in the clarion and for me, still just about impossible in the altissimo but very much worth learning. The difficulty in the higher registers is a result of the change made to the size/shape of the oral cavity upon execution.
Practice first in the chalemeau where this is easiest and then work your way up. There are so many standard works that almost require this technique (Mendelsohn Symphony Nr. 4, or Midsummer Night's Dream; Beethoven 6 and 7 etc.) and Charles Neidich has said ANYONE can double and triple tongue.
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: jmberch
Date: 2006-10-24 00:10
it took me ages to get the "ka" thing going. i don't ever use it now...but i'm sure i will some day. to start off, try saying taka taka, over....then put the reed on the horn and just blow air (no sound), then play on a g....if you can't get it right away, start off doing ta...ka....ta...ka at quater notes at around 70, and work your way up
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2006-10-24 00:47
A quick suggestion. Some might find saying tee-kee as opposed to ta-ka easier. I believe that Bob Springs espouses this belief.
Generally speaking, this makes the tongues motion smaller, facilitating the final product (for some) clarinetists.
James Tobin
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Lobo
Date: 2006-10-25 21:57
(Disclaimer: I'm not a professional and don't even play one on TV.)
My personal experience is that the lighter I tongue, the faster I can do it. One doesn't need to do anything more than touch the reed to stop the vibration. I haven't ever taught myself to double (or triple) tongue, but find that, when done lightly, I can single tongue faster than I can say ta-ka ta-ka ta-ka. (But that may be because I haven't really practiced saying ta-ka... or tee-kee...
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2006-10-25 22:01
Well something I noticed today is that in our Marching Band show we have a double tongue feature. Only 4 trumpets can double tongue and that's it. before I could only double tongue the first measure. Now that I switched back over to Vandoren 4's from FOF 4's and switched to a C85120 that came with my new clarinet, double tonguing has become ALOT easier for me. I can now sit there and double tongue that music. My tone has also drastically changed. It's more well rounded, but a little brighter.
What I meant to say was softer reeds and a more open mouthpiece help. You dont want to deteriorate your sound though. Don't be too wild.
Post Edited (2006-10-25 22:52)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-10-26 01:12
Dear Lobo,
The "KEE" comes in between the "TEES." That means you could tongue twice as fast as you do already!!
..........Paul Aviles
P.S. and I forgot the hairest standard, the last mvt of Beethoven #4. Try that all tongued at 144.
Post Edited (2006-10-26 01:14)
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