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Author: enock10000doo
Date: 2006-10-21 05:26
Hi.
I'm looking for Wurlitzer clarinet. So I already visit website.
but there is no pictures or descriptions. Also, no prices.
Anyone knows about it?
And how to order this clarinet?
is Wurlitzer dealers in US?
Thank You
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2006-10-21 13:36
If you email them and ask about pictures, price, etc. they will send you a catalog with all the info you need.
There is also a store in Tokyo, Japan that has German clarinets. www.ishimori-co.com/inst/clatop.html
If you live in the States you must order from overseas; this store in Japan, direct from the factory, there are probably a few retail stores in Europe that carry them aswell.
Good luck,
Sky
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2006-10-21 18:55
These are amazing instruments and of such high quality...it is a true shame more players are not familiar with the wonder of playing on a Wurlitzer.
David Dow
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-21 19:13
"What is that right thumb key doing?"
The RH thumb key is for the low F and E vent keys - if these are flat then the thumb opens them with the single touch, and the F vent is automatically closed by the low E key - the low E vent is on the bell and stays open when the RH thumb key is pressed.
"...it is a true shame more players are not familiar with the wonder of playing on a Wurlitzer."
Yeah, what with the waiting list and high price it's a lot more than most of us can afford.
We can still dream though.
Link to other German/Oehler system makers: http://www.ishimori-co.com/inst/clatop.html
...and more besides: http://www.cs.ru.nl/~bolke/DuitseKlar/oehlerlistOld.html
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2006-10-21 19:19)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-10-21 19:35
In his Chap. 2, Brymer has considerable discussion and PICS of the many "systems". Oehler and Double Boehm are included. Likely W is mentioned somewhere there. Interesting, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2006-10-22 08:16
I have had the good fortune to sample all of the various incarnations from french to german.
I understand the beauty of sound that one gets from Wurlitzer clarinets; it is a very special thing.
I have also had the fortune of sampling many many of the different makers of German clarinets.
Having said that, I would advise anyone that is interested in getting a Wurlitzer- although it has a very beautiful sound (there are few people that would argue that point), one should expect that the smooth, even, clear quality of sound is just about the only one you can make.
That can be a good thing or it can be a bad thing, depending on you and the context you play. A good French clarinet has a much wider pallate.
For German, I would reccomend Schwenk & Seggelke. I feel that the sound has the flexability to go anyplace between Buffet and Wurlitzer. And the mechanism is the smoothest I have ever played.
If you still want Wurlitzer I would reccomend Yamaha's German models. Very close to Wurlitzer with a bit lower price.
-S
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2006-10-22 16:25
What is meant by Yamaha's "German model"
clarinets?
I suppose you mean the latest CSG's with Hamiton keys etc...?
Clarinet Redux
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-22 16:35
No. Yamaha do several pure German and Oehler system clarinets, as well as German bore Boehm system clarinets:
Yamaha Link
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2006-10-22 20:34
Seems to me that the German model's placement of the left hand ring keys makes more sense in that they close in the same direction as the fingers come down.
Also, is the Yamaha Bohem/German clarinet the same as reform Bohem?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-22 20:47
Not the same as a Reform Boehm as the Reform Boehm has a different keywork system on the top joint - the Yamaha German Boehm is mostly standard Boehm system (with a couple of differences) but the tonehole sizes and positions are different due to the shape of the bore.
Reform Boehms have a much longer parallel section to the bore than German and Oehler systems, and on the top joint there's a simple but effective way they do away with an articulated G# key - a B-C# or F#-G# trill is done by playing B or F# and trilling only with LH finger 3 ('~' denotes a trilling finger - xx~|oxo), and a Db-Eb or Ab-Bb trill is done by playing the Db or Ab as xxo|xoo and tilling with LH finger 2 (x~o|xoo). The ring for LH 3 carries a pad cup that covers a vent that is closed off by the C#/G# key. I think they have an 'Acton vent' fitted to the RH rings as well.
http://www.leitner-kraus.de/en/boehm/420_big.html
Pretty nifty, eh?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2006-10-22 21:04)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-10-24 01:10
Just a minor correction to the right hand thumb key -- no magic, you depress it to raise the pitch of the low E and the F (raises the cup on the bell) ...... they ARE flat. This makes the clarion B and C perfectly in tune without the vent. There is no extra linkage to close on the F....you just need to release the vent for all other notes.
..........Paul Aviles
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-24 14:34
Some have a simple version where the thumb key only opens the bell vent key, but there's also a more elaborate mechanism that opens a small vent key for the low F (the vent key is just above the lowest key cup on the bottom joint) and this is closed by the low E key but the bell vent is kept open.
I can't find any detailed pictures of this mechanism, but it's fitted on Yamaha's full Oehlers as well as the top spec models offered by the German makers.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-10-24 19:27
Dear Chris,
Interesting. This was not the case on my circa 1985 100Cs but that was Herbert before he died. The newer cats may have added more high tech devices to the old Neustadt recipe.
I guess I would also echo the above assessment of the sound. Whatever it is to you (dark, German, creamy, small), the sound is very distinctive due to the acoustic tendencies of both the bore of the horn and the smaller dimensions of the required mouthpiece. In the end I found it too limiting for ensemble use in the States - blend is blend, if you want the job, you need to sound the part.
But if you are looking to do mainly solo work or small chamber stuff (just you that is) there is no better horn for pitch and consistancy of resistance throughout the entire range.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: ianm
Date: 2006-12-10 11:02
May I ask what would be recommended as a "best buy" German boehm. Thanks, Ian
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2006-12-10 12:57
I would try this:
http://www.schwenk-und-seggelke.de/englisch/frame.html
or this:
http://www.dietz-klarinetten.de/dietz/default.php?group=Klarinetten&id=23
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-12-10 13:07
Funnily enough I was just looking on their sites!
But if you're a (reasonably) big lottery winner (or have a sizeable bank balance) and don't mind the wait between ordering and collecting them (unless they already have a set ready and waiting), a set of Wurlitzer Reform-Boehms would probably be THE clarinets of choice.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2006-12-10 13:32
For my German Clarinet I tried Wurlitzers and decided to by a Dietz. If you consider Dietz or Leitner & Kraus clarinets you will see that they are nearly identical to Wurlitzer clarinets. THis is no wonder since these manufacturers worked for long years as master craftmen for H. Wurlitzer. When Wurlitzer died, they began to start their own companies (some trouble with the W. company...) In this area (early 90s) some people stated, that Wurlitzer had a quality decrease and they bought their INstruments at Dietz and Leitner & Kraus. Nowadays Wurlitzer again has the reputation of building very good clarinets. Schwenk & Seggelke is totally different: they do not build the traditional Wurlitzer copies but they rethink every part of the clarinet and therefore have a lot iof solutions for problems with the traditional german clarinets. I tried them: excellent craftmansship.... and in the last years they gained a lot of reputation here in Germany.
You should not be scared about the price: If you buy a very good handmande German clarinet you can play it for your whole life... and whan you sell it some decades later you will sell it for nearly the new price (like Mark VI?). Furthermore: if you buy a fabric instrumetn you have to tweak it for much money.. a really handmade instrument works without these expenses...
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-12-10 14:11
I was told by a German colleague that (Richard?) Mueller clarinets are very good - with all hand forged keywork rather than castings.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2006-12-10 14:27
I never played one of them. But the keywork of the other claris (Wurlither, Dietz, Leitner & Kraus, Schwenk & Seggelke) is handmade as well. This is totally different for the large companies (Yamaha, Schreiber, etc...) Therefore these keyworks are much more reliable and ergonomically correct...
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Author: ianm
Date: 2006-12-10 18:38
Thank you for your recommendations and advice.
Ian
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