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Author: diz
Date: 2006-10-16 02:25
No surprises there ... thugs entertaining thugs maybe?
Boy and I gonna get flammed for THIS one
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2006-10-16 02:26)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-10-16 02:38
diz wrote:
> No surprises there ... thugs entertaining thugs maybe?
> Boy and I gonna get flammed for THIS one
You betcha ... that was totally uncalled for by any standard and I'm totally startled by your comment. Exactly what do you know about marching bands and their actions that I don't that gives you the gall to make a comment like this? If such actions were "normal" then nothing would have been written about it, don't you think?
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2006-10-16 02:53
UW-Mad does have at least a reputation of being a bigtime "party school" in general, even here in Minnesota. I'm not at all surprised by these reports having visited their campus on weekends several times. Massive amounts of college students roam up and down the main drag shouting and acting generally drunk, extremely loud, and bordering-on-out-of-control rowdy. I've never been close enough to hear or see any sexual content, though, but given the drunken behavior I have seen, I'm really not surprised at all.
"Normal" for UW-Mad is, I think, "abnormal" anywhere else in general, however. They seem to take these things to an extreme there, based on the small percentage I've seen.
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2006-10-16 03:09
Completely unacceptable by any standard. They remind of the Stanford band and of the recent article about the Stanford band destroying a portable (classroom).
If I were an alum, and I'm not, I'd be a little pissed off about the current class ruining my past reputation.
-pat
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Author: Tode
Date: 2006-10-16 03:11
Hmmm, out of control drunk people? Sounds like gamedays at LSU!
I was rather shocked to see this. College marching band can be crazy at times, but this is totally uncalled for. I was in Tiger Band at LSU and things were very crazy. But we have a strict policy when it comes to showing up to rehearsals and games drunk. You don't, or you're out. I wonder if having stricter guidelines for bands might help with this. Or better yet, having more pride in themselves to realize that they represent their school by being in the band, whether they like it or not. At least that's what we're told, even if we're just in our TB shirts. The trips you take are a privilege, not a right and the band is constantly setting an example. Maybe someone should tell them that.
Sorry 'bout the rant. Just had to put my two cents in...
~Sarah Todenhoft~
Geaux Tigers!
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2006-10-16 06:09
Sounds like my old high school band bus crew!
Of course they need to be chewed out and warned, but it's not the end of the world.
Lighten up guys....
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2006-10-16 06:48
ummm....no. Fun is one thing, but what that article describes is undeniably sexual harassment, which is not ok, ever.
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Author: Cosmicjello
Date: 2006-10-16 07:34
This has been my experience with collegiate marching bands. I can recall instances where the directors themselves were involved.
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Author: kal
Date: 2006-10-17 01:38
That article could have been written about my high school marching band... not to mention every other band (HS and college) I've worked with since. That's how we are, folks! Welcome to marching band!
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Author: clarispark
Date: 2006-10-17 04:38
Ugh. Last year was my first (and probably only year) as a member of the Central Michigan Marching Chippewas, and I know we had strict rules against drinking in uniform, harassment, you name it, we were lectured on it. As far as I know, we were a pretty clean squad at least in my year, though my section leader told us that the hazing was terrible when he was a rookie (five years earlier). I never heard of anything like this in our ensemble--the extent of "hazing" was hissing when the word "rookie" was mentioned during band camp and making the new members sing the fight song and alma mater repeatedly until the veteran members of the band thought it was good enough.
I hope their program shapes up; my college is pretty much a party school but the attitude immediately becomes serious when we put on the uniform and start representing the band and the university.
There's just no excuse for all of that.
"I look at my clarinet sometimes and I think, I wonder what's going to come out of there tonight? You never know." --Acker Bilk
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Author: ken
Date: 2006-10-17 04:44
If it was anything but marching band I'd say music suffers again; the saddest thing is you can bet some of those inebriated clowns treat their instruments with more respect than another human being. And, check out that mug on the band director; Holy wrinkle cream Batman, dude looks like one of the California raisins! I've seen pictures of men who project "leadership and authority" but that’s definitely NOT it. v/r Ken
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2006-10-17 05:14
• A hazing incident in which a female band member was told to suck on a sex toy.
• Female band members being forced to kiss other female band members to gain access to bus bathrooms.
• Younger band members being forced to run errands and refill beer cups for older band members.
• Behavior in 2004 that led a bus driver to pull over and call the police.
I can understand a "tolerable" amount of fun, but seriously sexual harrassment is morally outrageous. our highschool never went to any of these lengths, though we did have a few rowdy people that made the trip pretty hilarious.
Are band people forever condemned to be weird? or just morally corrupted?
...... bad times.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: allencole
Date: 2006-10-17 16:36
I don't think that any of this is news to most of us who went through college band--marching OR concert. There are plenty of sophomoric hijinks to go around, and I've seen a lot of the sexual element actually being led by faculty.
The practices are as old as time itself. What is refreshingly new is that when someone complains about this, someone else is apparently listening.
There are any number of situations in which inept and wrongly motivated college faculty, administrators and police officers try to gloss over serious crimes committed on their campuses and play amateur judge in negotiating their own solutions. I'd have to say the UW-Mad scores at least one brownie point for publicly taking action. (even though there might have been no other choice)
If more folks would speak up, a lot less of this would happen. I can't believe the band director has done nothing after 38 years on the job.
Allen Cole
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2006-10-17 18:02
Wow... I've known of crazy drunken band parties, but they've all been very civil "we're all friends here" crazy drunken band parties...
Then again, there was none of that "marching" nonsense involved. I think the marching can make for crazy.
:P
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: beejay
Date: 2006-10-17 18:33
Marching bands? Sounds like a good topic for an ethnomusicology thesis.
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