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Author: diz
Date: 2006-09-22 01:32
Totally unclarinet related, but hey.
What is the word used to describe the inital sound made as air is expelled through a flue stop (for example) just before the tone sounds (think organ pipes).
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: FDF
Date: 2006-09-22 01:43
diz,
I don't know the answer to your question, but if that is the worst of your senior moments you don't have much to worry about.
Along with you, awaiting the answer.
Post Edited (2006-09-22 01:51)
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Author: johng ★2017
Date: 2006-09-22 02:48
From the Wick's Organ Company web site
CHIFF: Part of the attack, or very first instant of speech, of a flue pipe. It is a clicking, consonant-like sound that serves to mark the entrance of each note in a moving passage. Chiff can be adjusted in voicing from being a very prominent part of the pipe's speech to being completely inaudible. It is often called articulation, and when not excessive it increases the clarity of polyphonic music.
John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-09-22 03:53
Argh!! thank you thank you!!
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2006-09-22 12:47
Organ pipes (both flues and reeds) can make other pre-note sounds, alas. We think we've got problems on the clarinet: just one pipe at a time. The pipe organ has thousands of pipes, all of which can go out of tune or go wrong in other ways.
When I spent a summer living with an aunt and uncle in New York, years ago, my uncle was suffering through a job as a church organist in a church with a formerly great but tired old organ that hadn't been properly maintained. He would have loved to hear a nice little chiff when he touched a key. Instead, he had to tape the word "NO!" over certain stop knobs to warn himself and visiting organists away, because those ranks ciphered (played extraneous sounds when supposed to be silent) or started notes by coughing the twelfth (and one bourdon rank wouldn't give up that twelfth--a pipe would just sit there and hoot away a twelfth too high, as long as he held down the key), honking, and rude noises that suggested serious gastrointestinal distress and provided great amusement to the kids in the choir.
He complained to no avail, and finally lost patience when one pipe, an important one in the 8-foot diapason (it's almost impossible to avoid using that rank) stopped yielding any note at all and gave forth nothing but a strangulated wheeze. He made a big production of playing an offeratory hymn that used that pipe constantly. After it must have become obvious to anybody listening that something was badly wrong, he stopped playing, dramatically plunked that key several times (wheeze! wheeze! wheeze!), stood up, bowed low to the head of the tightfisted building committee (sitting in the front pew) and walked out. The priest, thinking quickly, announced that this offering would be a special one, to hire a technician to come service the organ. The technician arrived and set up his scaffold (this organ had no built-in catwalks). When my uncle pointed out wheezer, the tech climbed up there, pulled the offending pipe, turned it upside down, and gave it a shake--and out fell the dead mouse that had been blocking the windway.
I've found some strange things inside clarinets and saxophones from the flea market (my favorite, not, was the great big flabby fungus), but at least I can swab out. The organist can't.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
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Author: clarinetwife
Date: 2006-09-22 13:26
It is truly sad to see and hear an instrument in such condition. But, with a good rennovation running into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, it isn't always just tight-fistedness. As I remember, a local church spent $100,000 on their organ, and that was 15 years ago.
Barb
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-09-22 14:58
Talk about a senior moment! When I read "expelled through a flue" I thought we were talking about furnaces.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2006-09-22 16:56
The term "chuff" is also used about as widely in print.
Now let's see . . . what's that term we learned in English classes for a word that sounds like what it is describing?
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Author: Malcolm Martland
Date: 2006-09-23 13:26
A "baroque chuff" at the beginning of each note is a desired feature of restored or new English church organs - and probably European organs too. Recorders similar.
Malcolm
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-09-23 14:13
"baroque chuff"
FNARR! FNARR!
I'll grow up one day.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-09-24 22:30
Lelia ... your story amused me no end, hope you don't mind me sharing it with my church organist?
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-09-28 00:08
Well, I attended the performance last night with the Opera House's Concert jam packed ... I spied on three or our vacant seats.
The Vienna Philharmonic were absolutely faultless and their playing was thrilling. It's been a long time since I hear such breath taking soft playing (take note, playing so soft as to be almost inaudible is possible from an ensemble of 90 odd players).
The woodwinds were sublime, of course and the Principal Clarinet's solos in Tchaik 5 were wonderful. Looking forward to the second concert tonight (Schuman, Schostakovich and Brahms).
Anyone else attend and have a comment?
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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