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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-10-04 00:10
I realize that there are alot of people out there playing these, but for instance in a recent thread Jon Manasse was mentioned playing these, but is he using a 13 series or not?
I find the Vandoren 13's generally play better in tune at 440 than the other traditional ones...my question is
so is Jon Manasse and most american players using the 13 series in this one?
David Dow
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2004-10-04 02:41
I play on the regular M30 not the M30 13. For me and everyone else I know the M30 13 plays way to flat. Interestingly it does play at 440, but I have yet to find a situation, including with piano, where 440 is the prevailing pitch.
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2004-10-04 04:43
Regular M30 here, use it on a standard R-13 with a stock barrel, and no problems playing at 440.
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2004-10-04 19:07
This is my third year playing on an M30 13. With my old hawkins i was extremely sharp on my Bb so I brought the pitch down to a comfortable range. The only problem now is my A is playing way to flat, I'm on the hunt for a shorter barrel.
M30's are awesome hope you find one you like.
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Author: Brad
Date: 2004-10-04 19:44
I am using the M30 13 and I find the overall intonation to be pretty good at A440. I do find that I have don't have to lower my throat Bb and A like I was used to doing with my right hand. I also have to watch the pitch in the altissimo register so it is not too flat, which is something I was already used to doing so it may not be the mouthpiece alone.
Brad Cohen
Clarinetist
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Author: hard_reed
Date: 2004-10-04 23:17
I now play the M30 regular after a brief flirt with the B40 and several years of playing hand crafted mouthpieces, including those by Pyne, Smith etc. I find the M30 to be an excellent mouthpiece and in no way inferior to the hand made mouthpieces I tried and now own. I selected mine from a batch of 5 and surprisingly, all were very consistent. I use V12 3.5 reeds and find the mouthpiece gives a full yet centered sound with ample projection in orchestral situations. Although all the mouthpieces I sampled were the regular version with the Profile 88 beak, I did not try the 13 series version as the regular version put me at or just slightly above 440, leaving a little bit of headroom for downward adjustment if required. I'm not sure which version Jon Manasse plays.
Post Edited (2004-10-04 23:19)
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Author: hard_reed
Date: 2004-10-05 00:02
LeOpus1190s, what reeds and ligature does he use, just out of interest? Cheers.
Post Edited (2004-10-05 00:02)
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2004-10-05 00:24
D Dow,
My former teacher, Bob Crowley used to like the 13 series better than the other mouthpieces. They played flat for him so he had a guy cut a little bit out of it.
I forgot his name, but he basically saw the mouthpiece right above the cork removes 1mm or so and glues it back. Bob had several M13 Lyre done and he seemed happy with the results...
-S
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-10-05 01:58
I tend to use the B40 13 for orchestra as a back up to the Hites...I was thinking more along the lines of what would work best for students etc.
I have only tried the regular M30 and found myself to be a bit high!
Thanks for all the responses everyone!
David Dow
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2004-10-05 19:51
The 13 series is designed specifically for the Buffet R-13--thus the added 13 after each one.
The 13 series plays well on most clarinets, however, if you're not playing a Buffet R-13, I would seriously consider play-testing on your instrument before a purchase. There are companies where you can get the mouthpiece for a 2 week test--IMS used to do this, and WWBW does it.
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Author: Detru Cofidin
Date: 2006-09-08 21:09
I thought the 13 series had nothing to do with the R13, but instead just lowered the pitch to 440 for American uses. I know it's the standard pitch here now, but I heard it used to be as high as 446 in some places, or maybe still is.
ANYWAYS, I use the M30 13 series, and I'm finding that I am dreadfully flat compared to the rest of my high school concert band, though most bands are sharp (at least all the ones I've played in). But I was wondering if anybody had suggestions about whether I should get a shorter barrel or not, since I'm planning on buying a new one, and what kind of barrel would work well. I currently play on an R13 with the stock barrel.
Nicholas Arend
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-09-09 00:59
My teacher has talked me into playing a Vandoren M30/13/88. We're about to search for backups to our current mouthpieces. He plays an R13, and I have a Buffet RC. We find the standard M30 to be about 20-cents sharp, while the 13 seems to provide a balance of intonation over the range of our Buffets.
I do think that you should experiment with both to settle the pitch issue for yourself with your instrument.
Bob Phillips
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Author: hinotehud ★2017
Date: 2006-09-09 02:46
I play on an M30-13 but Robert Scott, Lansing MI, took a little out of the chanber which makes it easy to play up to pitch. I use two of his barrels: a 65mm and a 67mm depeding on the season.
Keith Hudson
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Author: Ben
Date: 2006-09-09 03:22
Interesting that so many people would post without answering the original question....
Why not just call him up and ask?
(585) 274-1574
http://www.esm.rochester.edu/faculty/?id=106
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