Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2006-08-14 22:50
Vytas,
"If SOMEONE came up with different results than me I wouldn't think there's an agenda but when it comes to Gordon, I'm not sure....."
The only thing I think I can take from that is that you think I was lying about my experiments. Not true! I don't appreciate the aspersion cast.
"This is not an opinion, a theory, an experiment or a black magic. These are the facts that I've experienced MANY times with Clorox bleach on the HR"
Likewise, there was no black magic or anything sinister in my experiments. BTW, are you saying that after discovering that bleach wrecks hard rubber and dissolves steel springs, you continued doing this, "MANY times"? I don't quite follow.
Re my "agenda". my agenda is science. Science consists of constant testing of any claims made, in as many ways as possible. I hope you have nothing against that.
I know almost nothing about the chemistry of hard rubber, other than that sulphur is used as a polymerising agent. Your post suggested that there was something I didn't know that I could learn about, so being the keen learner that I am, I carried out the experiment I described. What I learnt was that my results, which were more or less what I expected differed from yours. This simply suggests further experimentation, as I hinted at when I wrote that different formulations of hard rubber may have different chemical behaviour.
Regarding the springs:
I don't have much knowledge left from my somewhat elementary chemistry study a long time ago. But what little I do have, suggested that OXIDISING agents attack steel, not REDUCING agents... And that bleach is a reducing agent. Furthermore, when I was in charge of doctoring a school swimming pool, I bought and used 50 lb drums of sodium hypochorite - the powder form, VERY concentrated... 70% chlorine if I remember correctly. The containers were made from galvanised steel drums. If chlorine attacks steel, one would expect it to attack the much more reactive zinc galvanising even more. These drums lasted for months with no vanishing metal.
Putting this limited experience and knowledge of mine together, I acknowledge, I simply did not believe you. So I experimented to see if there was some factor I was not aware of. In my passion for the location and presentation of 'truth', I reported my findings. Yes, I had an agenda - to test what you wrote about the disappearing springs, because to me, with my limited chemistry background, it did not have a 'ring of truth'. Of course, in science, no single experiment is a conclusive proof, but the more experimenting is done, the closer we can get to truth.
Vytas, it does mystify me as to why our findings are so very, very different. An important part of science is the repeating of experiments. I invite others to carry out similar experiments. Be cautioned, however, that mixing VERY strong chlorine with combustible materials, can result in explosions.
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