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Author: kfrank1
Date: 2006-05-09 06:58
I have a Bb Series 9 clarinet. I think next model was the Series 10, but can anyone tell me what came after the Series 10?
Also I'm thinking of getting a bass clarinet. Are the models the same as Bb models i.e. Series 9, Series 10 etc. I've heard of models 33 and 37, and am wondering whether these correspond in any way with the Bb models. Thanks.
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Author: Phurster
Date: 2006-05-09 08:31
Selmer seem to keep introducing a large number of models. After the series 10 came the 10G inthe 1970's. At some stage the 10S II was introduced. The Recital and the Signature are the two top of the line models available at the moment.
Look up the Selmer homepage for details about the Bass models available.
Regards Chris.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2006-05-09 10:35
The latest, I think, after the Recital and Signature, is the "St. Louis," which was introduced upon the 100th anniversary of the St. Louis expo. Is it a limited run?
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2006-05-09 10:43
It was produced as a limited run, but the clarinet became very popular and is still being produced.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-05-09 11:38
But is there a clarinet currently on the market that has the characteristics of a 'Centered Tone' that is neither a small bore (less than 14.9mm) or 1010 bore (more than 15mm) and has large toneholes?
If not, why not? And would it be wise to model a new instrument on a 'Centered Tone'? I can't see why there shouldn't be a market for one.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2006-05-09 16:34
And, there never were any "Series 9" or "Series 10" bass clarinets, for the simple reason that they (Selmer) never designated them that way.
The "model" numbers was the the system used for the bass horns. I have a Model 33 to low C from about 1971; the prefix to the serial is apparently the giveaway.
(This difference between the melodic and harmony instruments was not only limited to the clarinets. As far as I know, there was no such thing as a "Mark VI" baritone saxophone. They made baritones through the Mark VI era, but none were apparently marketed (or marked) as such.)
Mark has a chart around here somewhere that lists all of these Selmer prefixes but is not all inclusive, as I recently purchase a 10S soprano horn that has a letter not on the chart (but presumably issued later).
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-05-09 16:56
HAHAHA! I saw a 10S on eBay and in the description it says 'pre-war'!
Well, I suppose it is as there has been one Gulf war and the current ongoing one since it was made.
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Author: Bnewbs
Date: 2006-05-09 18:16
The closest thing to a centered tone being made by selmer is the St. Louis, but its not near that big. For something like that you woud have to get a Leblanc Pete Fountain, Eaton, Rossi, Howarth, Hanson. The Pete Founbtain is a 15.00 bore if I remember correctly, but its cylindrical. I think Rossi makes a 15.00 bore model if you order direct. I personally like a much smaller bore, like a Signature. The vast majority of people seem to go try a couple of R13s, pick one without looking at anything else and for btter or worse be done with it.
Ben
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Author: BassetHorn
Date: 2006-05-09 19:03
Terry, I have seen Selmer series 9 bass clarinets and basset horns, there were in fact a couple on yaBe a little while back.
Series 9 basses precedes the original 33s (or are they in fact identical?), then the "new" 33 came about in 1983 or around then, then the 37 came out a few years later and took over by Privilege recently.
Correct me if wrong.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-05-09 22:19
Howarth clarinet bores are only 14.75mm on the S2 and 14.65mm on the S3.
Though there was talk of them doing a 1010 bore and German bore clarinets. But neither have been made.
[ Chris P. is an employee of Howarth's and did not disclose such until much later. My apologies for missing this and letting Chris P. misuse this BBoard - Mark Charette/GBK ]
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2006-05-09 23:06
Terry- that big hunk of brass in my closet is indeed a MK VI baritone! Bought it new in Paris for $900.00 and brought it back to the States many years ago. Says MK VI on the bell. Still have the old catalog pages as well. And it is a super horn! I'll never part with it. Regarding the Selmer 10S Series II- I inquired of the Selmer manager at the NAMM show; he said the St. Louis is basically a renamed 10S II with cosmetic changes. ( I have a both a Centered Tone and a 10SII...). FWIW.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-05-09 23:19
Terry Stibal wrote:
> As far as I know, there was no such thing as a "Mark VI"
> baritone saxophone. They made baritones through the
> Mark VI era, but none were apparently
> marketed (or marked) as such.)
The baritone sax I played off and on for 6 years in the Army reserve band was definitely a Selmer Mark VI with low A key. The band (via the US Government and taxpayers) owned 2 of them.
Very nice horn ...GBK
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-05-10 00:10
And MkVI bass and sopranino saxes were still being made well into the '80s when the SA80II replaced them.
Even though earlier MkVI baris (and their other saxes) never had 'MARK VI' on the bell-bow joint ring, they're still distinguishable as to which model they are by their keywork. As are all Selmer saxes.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2006-05-10 04:06
Well, I've seen horns that were 'claimed' to be Mark VI baritones, but they didn't have any marking on them branding them with the infamous "VI". However, my sample size was somewhat limited (only the one I owned (from the same period) plus three or four others encountered over the years.
Mine sold like it had "Mark VI" on it, though...
Also, I'm glad to hear that the Signature is basically a 10SII. I tried out the Signature last month, and while I was disappointed with the keywork I did like the response and resistance.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-05-10 05:09
I saw at least a few Bartones with Mark VI on them, and also I think I saw a bass clarinet marked Series 9, but definitely saw an alto clarinet marked Series 9 (a few of them).
I've tried the St. Louis clarinet from Selmer a few weeks ago, when it was the first price of a clarinet competition. As I Always think about Selmer clarinets - it had a very nice sound but the keyword was really not comfortable to me.
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Author: hans
Date: 2006-05-10 12:46
My 1968 Selmer Paris sax catalogue lists two Eb baritone Mark VI models: catalogue numbers 55 and 55A.
The only difference between them is that one has a range to low A (C concert) and low A key for the left thumb.
All of the Selmer Paris saxes in that catalogue carried the Mark VI designation.
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2006-05-10 13:00
Restatement: the St. Louis (NOT the Signature) is a cosmetic rework of the 10S II.
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Author: DougR
Date: 2006-05-10 14:06
I have a Selmer Series 9 bass (low Eb), and have seen quite a few basses on (insert name of internet auction site here) that are not Series Nines but have identical left-hand keywork. Don't know if the bores or acoustic design of those models differed from the Nine or not, but the keywork appears identical. (I think I remember seeing a bass with a "55" stamped on the upper joint that matched my Nine in terms of keywork.)
As to the model designations, I believe the Model 35 was the low-Eb bass and the Model 37 was the low-C bass.
I have a friend with a model 33 bass, and having played it I can tell you decisively that it is NOT identical to the earlier series 9 bass. The keywork in particular is ergonomically much more comfortable on the 33--I can't do a lot of sustained practice on my Nine without getting pains in my left hand, due to the awkward finger spread of the key layout. I've never been able to decide whether it's worth putting a few hundred bucks into keywork on the horn, or putting the money toward a used Model 37.
Keywork and intonation problems aside, it's a great horn.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2006-05-10 14:25
Signature or Saint Louis, it's still suitable based upon my recent "trials". I'd have settled for another Series 9 (or something older for that matter), just so as to be able to retain the articulated G#...
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-05-10 15:40
I'm finding I'm using the alternative (RH 2) G# touch a lot, so I'm glad I've stuck with full Boehm Selmers (and a Leblanc LL).
If only I added a LH Eb lever and forked Eb mechanism to my Buffet Eb before getting the lot plated as I do miss them!
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