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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2006-03-20 19:38
On the IDRS board, people have said that you should not swab during a concert and that a wet bore produces a better sound than a dry one.
John deLancie said that a "darker, fuller" sound was produced by an oboe that had just been swabbed by a feather that had been dipped in water.
David Weber said that a feather spreads the water around the bore, as
well as removing some, and that a water-coated bore resonates better than a dry one. He did not like cloth swabs.
Has anyone noticed this? Does anyone use a feather? For the David Weber students, what did he say to you about it?
Ken Shaw
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2006-03-20 21:55
In our orchestra the clarinetists keep a large tub of water under the chair and yes, we use feathers.
The best feathers are actually from ducks and as you know, it must be plucked fresh prior to use.
For many years we kept a duck next to the tub of water under our chairs, but they do tend to make a loud noise each time a feather is plucked.
Last year our oboists went on strike when our conductor congratulated a duck for performing an excellent solo.
Steve
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-21 01:06
Interestingly humorous comment, stevensfo, but a bit off-subject, perhaps. An intriguing ?, Ken, in my oboe playing days, I also used a turkey feather, but didn't notice any diff, except for preventing water "burbles". I would guess that if the inst's bore were a bit rough, a very-minimal coating of water might help. I believe a decrease in bore dia. has the effect of lowering pitch, help, please, experts, but it would be very slight in this case. An actual improvement? , doubtful IMHO. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: John Morton
Date: 2006-03-21 01:38
Why should a wet bore not sound different? The shape of a wet bore is certainly different, textured by the water droplets. The polished surface of a bore is surely not contributing to the sound in this case.
John Morton
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-03-21 04:01
A few months ago I was at a masterclass of Guy Delpus and he used a turkey feather. When asks why he prefers it instead of a swab he just said that he turns it around and it gets in the holes (or something like that since it was a little hard for him to understand the question and answer it in Egnlish).
He said a lot of oboe players use a feather but that lately a lot of change to swabs.
I swab the clarinet and pads when I have too much water that some notes will have the water sound on them, or will not even come out fast enough.
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Author: ned
Date: 2006-03-21 07:33
''when I have too much water that some notes will have the water sound on them,''
Ideal for that famous piece by Handel.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-21 13:06
Welcome back, Hiroshi, great comment, how about magnetic magic ? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: jim S.
Date: 2006-03-21 15:15
Hiroshi: Your English is great. Have you been living in an English-speaking country since we last met?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-03-21 16:04
One word on feathers:
DON'T!
Have you any idea where a pheasant has been?
Not to mention the filaments come off them and get into toneholes.
I don't know how many times I've overhauled some lovely old Loree, Louis or Howarth oboes (as well as some new ones) and on opening the case find a load of tatty old pheasant feathers in them, which I promptly chuck out - and also have to brush and vacuum out the broken off filaments which are strewn around the case lining.
I prefer the one-piece pullthroughs, but not mops as these too can leave bristles in toneholes.
But isn't a damp bore narrower than a dry bore? And is condensation taken into account when doing acoustical research on bores?
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2006-03-21 16:22
＞Have you been living in an English-speaking country since we last met?
No, I haven't. I learn English by reading or hearing using internet.
My favorite URL is BBC's English quizz.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/quizzes/quiznet/archive_2003.shtml
,where I found an interesting thing:Peckish means hangy in England, whereas it means angry in U.S. .
It would be better for Italian or German people not to use the word fagotto or Fagott meaning bassoon in English or French in England.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2006-03-21 16:34
>Guy Delpus
He(Guy Deplus:pronunciates like Ghee Dopyulyu) recently came to Japan.He criticized in an interview that many young clarinetists move their body too much.
I once heard Vandoren B40 was developed by him, which I guess may mean he uses soft reed such as 2.5 or 3.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2006-03-21 16:51
>ut isn't the Japanese word for bassoon Fagotto?
Yes. I should have written Italian, German, and Japanese people.
As to language Japanese music education is quite confused.
Scale is read in French, i.e. Do,Re,Mi, etc.
Major or Minor keys are taught in Japanese in primary or junior high. But teachers in music school prefer German way such as Es-Zur.
A big error in translation still exist without being corrected. Bach's 'well-tempered' is translated to heikin-ritsu, meaning 'equal-tempered'.
People say classic music, not the correct classical music. Classic is a different word meaning authorized, I guess.
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