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Author: Apresence
Date: 2006-02-14 12:52
Does switching from B45 with vandoren traditional size 3 reed to M15 with vandoren traditional size 4 reed make high notes easier to speak and reduce squeaks? Just for example..
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2006-02-14 13:07
A quick answer: it's not as simple as that. M15 and B45 are like chalk and cheese. But why not try it and see what happens?
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Author: Apresence
Date: 2006-02-14 13:25
Actually, I'm asking if certain qualities associated to thicker reeds like the the two mentioned will be affected by the resistance of the mouthpiece. I think breaking in a size 4 reed on the b45 so as to try on the M15 at the store takes a little too much effort ; )
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-14 14:06
Dear Apresence,
This is a VERY IMPORTANT issue. After years of just falling into a certain style of mouthpiece cut, I have become a little jaded about this. If a mouthpiece doesn't fit my reeds....it doesn't stand a chance. You on the other hand are looking to switch down to a closer setup.
Try this.
Take your trusty reeds to the store and use those first, knowing full well that the setup will be a little weak. Believe it or not, that's the general feel anyway, even with the stronger reeds. Going down in tip opening is harder than going up, because you feel that you are losing resistance but in fact you are just having to re-adjust your lip muscles to the change.
If the mouthpiece stinks on ice with your 3s, it won't matter much if you bump up in strength then does it?
Try an M30 while you're at it. This mouthpiece is just a bit more open than the M13.
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2006-02-14 14:09
Put it this way: reeds will feel very soft on M15 compared to B45. So switching from B45 to M15 will demand harder reeds. But they won't necessarily give you those qualities you desire. It's the combination of reed and mouthpiece that does the trick. So you have to go and try the no.4 on the M15 and see what happens. It's a long jump - I found M30 a pretty weird experience.
No, breaking in a number 4 Vandoren on a B45 is not big and it isn't clever :-D
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-02-15 04:31
If you are fiddling with a Vandoren M30, be sure to take a WHOLE LOT of the mouthpiece into your mouth. It has a very long lay. Try to find the point of insertion where the mpc chirps and pull it out just enough to get it to quit chirping.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-15 23:29
From my reference chart it appears that the lay length of the M13 and the M30 are identical with only the tip opening being the slight difference. Of course the M30 was on my list of "playables," so it may not suit the 5RV Lyre folks whatsoever.
........Paul Aviles
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-17 13:48
I totally have egg on my face. A friend had an unused (brand new) M13 (says 5RV Lyre 13 across front) profile 88 lying in a drawer. I tried it. I refuse to give it back - it's amazing !!!!
Anyone know any good "addatives" that I can slip into her morning orange juice so she will forget that she leant it to me?
:-)
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Tom W
Date: 2006-02-17 14:09
I believe that a M13 and a 5RV Lyre Series 13 are two different animals. I believe that the Series 13 is just a A=440 tuning version of the 5RV Lyre.
My son recently tried the 5RV Lyre, M15 and M30. He felt that the 5RV Lyre and M30 were very different and that the M15 was close to the M30 but he didn’t like the sound.
Finally chose the M30 with a V12 3.5 reed.
Tom W.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2006-02-17 15:59
>I believe that a M13 and a 5RV Lyre Series 13 are two different animals.
yes. two different mouthpieces. quite different facings.
if it says '5RV Lyre 13' then you have a Vandoren 5RV-Lyre, series 13.
it is tuned to a440 instead of 442 as tom said.
if its stenciled '5rv' that is NOT a M13.
there are both M13 and M13-Lyres out there.
'profile 88' refers to the beak shape
13 series or not 13 series means a-440 vs a-442
I think you have at least the following choices, all of these being different models:
5RV
5RV-Lyre
5RV series 13
5RV-Lyre series 13
M13
M13-Lyre
m13 and m13-lyres are by definition 'series 13'
series 13 mouthpices are pitched a-440
non series 13 mouthpieces are 442
i think 5RV and 5RV-Lyres come in both 'traditional' and 'profile 88' flavors - this refers to the beak shape.
i'm not postiive, but i think all 13 series mouthpieces are 'profile 88'
and i also think you can get a M15 in either traditional or profile 88 form, and also in either series 13 and non series 13.
so - its like buying a car - way too many models and options out there.
read one of those inserts in a box of vandoren reeds - its more clear than this rambling....
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-17 16:06
Ok, I have been thinking the same thing about the nomenclature, however, my friend assures me that she ordered the M13 and this is what they sent her. Also, the WWBW website has this mouthpiece pictured for the M13. In addition to the also, there is the "13" stamped into the mouthpiece that indicates the series 13 (American Pitch).
The other piece that I know for sure is that I had tried numerous times in the past to play 5RVs and 5RV Lyres with NO SUCCESS at all since I have a "long lay" embrochure. This mouthpiece is a different animal.
So to repeat. My friend is not getting it back and it's NOT FOR SALE !!!!
................Paul Aviles
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-18 00:40
After consulting reputable dealers I am left with the conclusion that the mouthpiece I am auditioning is indeed a version of the 5RV Lyre.
It's still good.
I'm still not giving it back.
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2006-02-20 06:59
I suspect there may be other slight changes to the 13-series mouthpieces than just 2Hz of pitch, or (equivalently) 0.5% extra length (seems a bit of a waste of time otherwise). Anyone confirm this?
My experience is that Vandoren product literature tells less than half the story about their extensive mouthpiece range.
(Paul - UR sure it's not just been stamped wrong, or something like that? They sometimes have a tiny engraving of the model number as well as the big stamp. And have you tried measuring the facing to see if it's been made right? Or maybe your style has just changed, if it's been a long time since you've tried a short-lay piece. I find my own preferences changing every few years - can't get anywhere with my Selmer C85 right now.)
Post Edited (2006-02-20 08:01)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-20 13:39
Dear Bassie,
I almost don't want to think about the mouthpiece anymore. It works. I wanted to post "An Open Apology to Vandoren" because this mouthpiece has thoroughly convinced me that thirty years of experience doesn't prevent one from having their preconceptions bust into a thousand pieces.
That having been said, the mouthpiece is stamped 13 in addition to having the number 13 appear as gold stencil inside of a gold oval. All this is on the sides of the lay. The front stencil is 5RV (symbol for lyre) 13.
Bottom line is what you and all the others on this board have been advising all along - physically try mouthpieces, and pick from those that work for you.
I still haven't figured out how I'm going to hold onto this one for sure. Do any of you know any countries that won't extradite me back to the US?
...............Paul Aviles
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