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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-02-13 03:43
After waiting for like 7-weeks, I finally got my copy of Carl Fisher WF5CD, the piano accompaniment for the Rose 32 Etudes.
These were invented by Prof. John Walker of the University of South Dakota State University. Inspired by Clarinet Prof Cynthia Nichols of Univ of Nebraska at Omaha, DR. Wagner has gotten Carl Fisher to put out this 32-track accompaniment.
It is pretty wonderful --as far as I've been able to actually play the Etudes up to Prof. Wagner's tempi. He does a masterful job of handling the rubatos without all of the wooden block clicks used by Music Minus One, and a couple of trials lets one connect smoothly with the accompaniment after ritards, fermatas, and Rose's mini-cadenzas. Some of the etudes allow you to pause and restart the CD player to re-synch after the solo part takes a rubato phrase. Very cool.
Prof Wagner tells me that Carl Fisher is putting out a saxophone version of the Rose 32, and when that project is complete, their accompaniment will be re-released with *.PDF files containing the piano accompaniment. Then, you'll be able to work with a human at the piano instead of using the pause button on your CD player.
I think this ($20) CD is a great tool. I'm glad I've got mine.
NOW, back to work.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Burt
Date: 2006-02-13 04:02
Bob, I share your enthusiasm for the Rose 32 accompaniment CD. Also available (I don't know where) is the sheet music for the accompaniment.
Thanks for the info on the sax version. Not knowing this, I transposed the CD down a fifth for my alto and bari. There are many places out of the sax range, but there are enough places to switch octaves.
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2006-02-13 14:15
Well, I for one, was disappointed by the Carl Fisher Rose accompaniments. I found them, for the most part, plodding and unimaginative in most of the "slow" studies, and the tempi insanely fast in some of the fast ones!
As for a saxophone version of the Rose 32: it pre-exists the Rose. It's called "48 Etudes" by Ferling, Op. 31. Originally written for oboe, they are a perfect fit for sax, and were, in part, adapted by Rose for his clarinet students. There exists a dedicated saxophone version, edited by Marcel Mule, that adds extra studies and duets, by Mule. Leave it to the scholars at Carl Fisher to retro-adapt the already-adapted work.
As far as I'm concerned, the clarinet world is still waiting for satisfactory Rose accompaniments!
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Author: John Walker
Date: 2006-02-14 03:06
Thank you all, I think, for the helpful feedback on the Rose accompaniments. I realize that you can't please everyone, and that CDs are not the ideal way to play with accompaniment. But I hope that it serves a purpose for most of you.
I wanted to clarify a few points: 1) the sheet music is NOT available now, but might be added as PDF files to later versions of the CD, and 2) I have also rewritten and adapted most of the Rose accompaniments to be played with the Ferling Oboe/Sax studies, which is also in the hands of Carl Fischer. There are 16 new accompaniments specifically for the Ferling Studies, and the whole deal will go on six CDs (2 CDs for each instrument transposition).
I cannot speak for Carl Fischer about publication plans, and do not know their timeline for getting the Ferling CDs out. But I certainly hope it will be this year.
Also, apologies for the fast tempos on some of the Etudes. I worked with our clarinet professor to find the most playable student tempos, and this is what we came up with. Too fast and the fingers can't get it, too slow and you run out of breath. With the Ferling recordings, by the way, I learned to record the fast ones at two different tempos, for just that reason. Hopefully that will work better.
I would love for the printed scores to be available to you all, but it's just not up to me.
Thanks again for giving these pieces a chance. I feel that I have honestly composed some worthwhile piano music that can make the Etudes true collaborative recital pieces. So enjoy, and let me know more about what you think.
Dr. John M. Walker
Director of Keyboard Studies
South Dakota State University
Brookings, SD 57007
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-02-15 01:16
LarryBocaner wrote:
> As for a saxophone version of the Rose 32:
> it pre-exists the Rose. It's called "48 Etudes" by Ferling, Op. 31.
For those who think they know the clarinet version of the Rose 32 inside and out, it is well worth your time to play through the Marcel Mule book of the "48 Etudes"
Aside from the more difficult key signatures of your favorite etudes which are in the clarinet version of Rose, you will also see different notes, different time signatures, wide skips, more interesting articulation and highly expressive ornamentation.
By comparison to the original "48 Etudes", the clarinet version of Rose 32 is almost sterile ...GBK
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-02-15 11:15
GBK,
On alto, #9 is one fo my favorites but I usually play in the original key and make octave jumps where appropriate. I know you and I have both used the Arban book with our studuents as well since there is then a heavy emphasis on work over the break.
All too often, sax and clarinet students do not get exposure to enough of the "odd" key signatures that now occur when using another instrument's standard studies in the original keys.
Man, try a few flute etudes that go above altissimo G for some real fun.
HRL
PS I play in a church group from time to time and a great deal of the alto parts are in 5#s. One of my ongoing goals is to be able to play them on clarinet with as much facility as on sax.
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