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Author: marclafl
Date: 2006-02-03 03:15
I might buy it:
http://www.studentinstruments.com.au/images/ccl-250Gweb4.jpg
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2006-02-03 03:19
Ah, it appears to be a gold-key version of one of the legendary Chinese CSOs we've been talking about lately --- someone please correct me if I'm wrong.........
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Author: Ah Clem
Date: 2006-02-03 03:21
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm........
Looks very Simba-esque (new word) to me...........
How much is it?
Ah Clem
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Author: marclafl
Date: 2006-02-03 03:23
200 canadian dollars
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Post Edited (2006-02-03 03:27)
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Author: marclafl
Date: 2006-02-03 03:42
I know some chinese clarinet look very cheap but that one seems to be well built.
I want to restart playing.
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2006-02-03 03:47
I know where it comes from, and I know where it might soon be going. Treat yourself to a good quality second-hand instrument of a reputable make. North America should be full of them. The only advantage of gold-plating on the keys is appearance.
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Baldrick, you wouldn't recognise a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on a harpsichord singing "Subtle plans are here again". - Edmund Blackadder
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-03 10:01
Just my two cents:
I have had a serious problem with a highly corrosive property to the oils in my skin. This can literally eat away the silver on a "plated" key within a year if I do not diligently wipe the keys off with a soft cloth after every use. With nickel the actual wear is not so great but the color will turn quickly and then the keys do begin to take on a rough texture.
Gold is a much stronger element and is for the most part resistant to such corrosion.
In addition, the "feel" of gold is more akin to nickel in its smooth, sliding texture compared to "sticky" silver. Those players who have gold plated keys swear by them.
The next time you have a full blown overhaul done on your horn, through in the extra two or three hundred bucks and have it gold plated.
:-)
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2006-02-03 11:15
This whisper of gold is more likely a Titanium-Nickel oxide, which appears golden in daylight. It is a tough alloy that is also used to coat industrial cutting tools, such as drill and router bits.
If it IS genuine gold (14karat or so) it is the most expensive part of this instrument. Try to keep in mind that it is a musicial instrument and the mechanical qualities are pre-eminent to successful use.
The cosmetic appeal of these is designed to capture the eye of the budget buyer and the vast majority of players abandon them in weeks if not days.
My local tech won't even work on these, they drift out of alignment in the case!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-02-03 13:34
"Is this gold clarinet worth it?!"
Simple answer - No.
Rearrange these words to make a well known phrase:
wouldn't
barge
touch
else's
I
with
pole
it
someone
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-02-03 14:33
TKS, Chris, it took a minute to read, but was/is worth it. P A and S B 's comments are also worth consideration. Some time ago I did some patent searching for gold-colored alloys, and found a number of them, some MAY be more corrosion-resistant than gold [or its alloys] itself. If of interest, I'll look further. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-02-03 14:49
Contact Dr. Henderson for a good price on one of his Forte clarinets. Or, buy a good name brand like Buffet, Leblanc, Selmer or Yamaha. The big 4. Having a new, poor quality instrument will not help you make progress on your instrument.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-02-03 15:09
Isn't there a plastic Vito Pete Fountain model with gold plated keys? That'd be worth considering if you're allregic to or react with nickel or silver plated keys.
And chances are the gold plate will only be about 1 micron thick - maybe 3 microns maximum but still very thin at the most - even on pro instruments.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Gandalfe
Date: 2006-02-03 15:44
Used to be a Vito Pete Fountain model (I picked up a barrel/bell set off eBay just for fun. (Some grandchild will probably get introduced to Pete when I gift this to them. :o)
I'm not sure you can find it any more. Does anyone know? I don't see it listed here: http://www.gleblanc.com/instruments/Leblanc_usa_clarinets.cfm.
Jim and Suzy
Pacifica Big Band
Seattle, Washington
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Author: anniec
Date: 2006-02-04 23:27
"I might buy it:
http://www.studentinstruments.com.au/images/ccl-250Gweb4.jpg"
Hi
I just bought one of these CIBAILI clarinets and it is fantastic for the money i paid. I've been playing flute and sax for 8 years and i just thought I'd pick up the clarinet for a change and it is fantastic. I don't understand why there is such a snobbery over instruments and brands, yes it is a chinese made intruments but even Yamha's and jupiters are made in Chine, some even in indonesia. Sure it's not a $2000 buffet or anything, but who needs that unless your a professional?
I say go for it. This outfit also has a 100% happy return guaruntee. I'm about to buy a pink flute off them now too. Go for it, they have my vote.
Thats just my 2 cents.
Cheers
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This is my clarinet - it's fantastic
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Author: marclafl
Date: 2006-02-04 23:55
Well thank you Annie.
I know the Cibaili clarinet isn't the highest quality.
I played the clarinet for 3 years in high school and haven't played in the last ten years.
I'm more of a weekend player, small tunes etc.
That's why I want to buy it.
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Author: seafaris
Date: 2006-02-05 00:43
You can't go wrong with a Noblet from a reputable seller, some repaded. If you don't like you can re-sell at the same price. They are under $200. Even with a guarentee it will cost around $20 to ship back why take a chance. A little more $$ will get you a Leblanc Classic, a very fine horn.
.....Jim
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2006-02-05 00:51
The problem isn't what standard of player they're aimed at. The problem is their construction, and their overall quality control. These things are probably more critical for beginners than they are for advanced players, because advanced players know the problems to look for in an instrument, problems that can't be seen with the naked eye. I won't go on because there are dozens of threads explaining these aspects that can be searched.
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Baldrick, you wouldn't recognise a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on a harpsichord singing "Subtle plans are here again". - Edmund Blackadder
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Author: lyn
Date: 2006-02-05 01:43
Selmer makes/made a clarinet with gold/brass plated keys. One of those would be a much better buy....
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Author: lyn
Date: 2006-02-05 01:44
p.s. I want a purple flute....which one plays the most in tune? ;D
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Author: anniec
Date: 2006-02-05 02:19
"Selmer makes/made a clarinet with gold/brass plated keys. One of those would be a much better buy...."
That's true, but what is the cost? Why pay a fortune when you don't need to?
"p.s. I want a purple flute....which one plays the most in tune? ;D."
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Author: lyn
Date: 2006-02-05 02:31
It depends - if you want to play it in public, the cost could be your dignity....
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Author: Zauberklarinette
Date: 2006-02-05 21:31
If you just want the clarinet but don't really play then you should get it. If it's not that expensive you should get. Now if you want to begin seriously playing then maybe you should look at something else. Since you may not seriously play the clarinet you just want this gold keyed thing so that you can have something to show off that looks good.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-02-05 23:00
Zauberklarinette? That's the best tag I've heard yet. I used to be "Der Unbekkant Klarinettist," but dropped that long before the Internet was a glimmer in CERN's collective eye.......schade.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: D
Date: 2006-02-06 19:01
Regarding a purple flute,....you would probably be best off buying a student level yamaha or similar that plays in tune (well, as well in tune as a flute ever does) and then painting it with purple lacq. yourself. You could even do stripes!
Or spots...........
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Author: joblo
Date: 2006-02-18 04:13
I got one of these just to see what it was like - it was trouble nearly straight away.
Sure I could send it back but he doesn't refund the 40 odd dollars he charges for delivery and you have to add about $20 to return it so your 60 bucks out of pocket just to return it.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-29 09:50
I know I'm following you around with this, but please do not buy a Cibaili clarinet.
If - no, not if - WHEN anything goes wrong with it, you'll be hard pushed to find anyone to work on it as not only are they made from low quality materials and sub-standard workmanship, they're uneconomical to repair as there's most likely to be too many things wrong with them to begin with and putting these wrongs to right will only end up in a repair bill being very near or exceeding the cost of the instrument. They have no resale value either, so stick with a recognised make from any of the reputable companies as their clarinets are built for the job, and built to last.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-12-29 10:10
...and if you want to spend less than $200, consider shopping at refurbished-gear shops like clarinuts. You even get some trial and warranty period.
(NB I have no affiliations with that business)
--
Ben
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2008-12-29 13:27
Chris P....... Sorry to be so unbearably pedantic, but I have heard this one argued over somewhere, and I am sure that the word is either "glistens" or more likely "glisters" Hanged if I can remember the origins..... W.Shak possibly.
Might as well take this opportunity to say that the Howarth mouthpiece is a fine example of a 10.10, machined from a solid block,-as the Draper would have a tapered bore. Do you have any direct contact with "spage" who had expressed an interest?.......... thanks, H&P
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-12-29 13:49
"Titanium-Nickel oxide," Or maybe Titanium Nitride....
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-29 14:26
Shakespeare? Never 'eard of 'im.
I only got GCSE 'E' for English literature, never understood why reading Shakespeare was more important than having a grasp of English language (in which I got GCSE 'C').
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2008-12-29 14:38
rememeber.....when buying anything that is "gold" or "silver"
both of those words can used to describe a COLOR or a type of METAL.
if the price is too good to be true then most likely they are using the word as a COLOR and letting the foolish consumer ASSUME otherwise. When pressed for falsely representing their product they will be quick to tell you they where talking about the COLOR.
"saving the world, one beer at a time"
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-12-29 15:07
To add to the off topic part of this:
"All that glitters is not gold" comes from The Merchant of Venice, written in 1596. Yep... Shakespeare. Here is the actual speech:
MOROCCO:
O hell! what have we here?
A carrion Death, within whose empty eye
There is a written scroll! I'll read the writing.
All that glitters is not gold;
Often have you heard that told:
Many a man his life hath sold
But my outside to behold:
Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
Had you been as wise as bold,
Young in limbs, in judgment old,
Your answer had not been inscroll'd:
Fare you well; your suit is cold.
Reference: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/28450.html
Some say "glisters" was the original, according to various sources, but "glitters"
is the way it's spoken in current play productions.
BTW, that was the first of the Shakespeare comedies I had to read.... back in 8th grade. I always liked that one. Others turned out to be better, but this one had its moments.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: William
Date: 2008-12-29 15:34
""My Mama always told me, 'Life is like a box of Vandorens; you never quite know what you're gonna get.' " Forrest Stadler""
Stadler used Vandorans????
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-12-29 22:19
"the first of the Shakespeare comedies I had to read.... back in 8th grade"
7th for me: "The quality of mercy is not strained....."
Bob Draznik
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