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Author: Greek Style
Date: 2005-11-29 15:03
Does anybody know how to take F on the yamaha YCL-457-18??? and is it an Oehler or albert? and if its an oehler what separates it from the German system?
Post Edited (2005-12-04 16:05)
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Author: Greek Style
Date: 2005-11-29 15:08
Can you take the F like this on the YCL-457-18??
o
x (covered hole)
o
x (Thumb hole) (Covered hole)
Post Edited (2005-12-12 17:43)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2005-11-29 16:54
Albert is not my forte, but I believe the fingerings are roughly the same as Oehler with the differences being the bore, and the lack of tunning vents and extra trill keys that are standard on full Oehler system horns.
The Oehler throat F is fingered like the Boehm throat E adding the side key second from the bottom. The Clarion F is either 1st and 3rd fingers (usually for arpeggiated figures) or 1st, 2nd and the little key in between 2nd and 3rd (usually for all sequential running figures) - this is NOT a "fork" key !!!
............Paul Aviles
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2005-11-29 19:20
the ycl-457-18 is a student german clarinet. If you have a student or a professional full oehler clarinet (example: ycl-857), you have the same fingerings for f''. The difference is: the full oehler system does not have a hole for the right 3. finger but a plate which acts on two side keys. The benefit is: you can use the fork fingering without really playing a fork...
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Author: Greek Style
Date: 2005-11-29 19:29
Thanks thomas..í just cant figure out the difference between the ycl-457-18 and a albert fingering. the only difference is the extra key on the left pinky. I play greek folk music on a boehm clarinet. but in greece they play on albert systems. i know that they take the Chalumeau F like i diskribed above and i wondered if you could take it like that on the ycl-457-18.......but thanks.
Post Edited (2005-11-29 19:31)
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Author: ron b
Date: 2005-11-29 19:36
The Oehler system can probably be best described as the "Improved Albert". It has a few more keys to make alternate fingerings easier. They (Albert and Oehler) are both basically the same layout. The standard first space "F": thumb, first finger, middle 'trill' spatula, sounds cleaner than the alternate, thumb, second finger. The alternate work well in fast passages, not so good for the long tone. On some instruments, using the sliver key too will help the alternate to speak a little better.
The newer German system and Oehler system are, for all practical purposes, interchangeable terms.
- r![[cool]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/cool.gif) n b -
[player of all systems but prefers Albert]
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Author: Greek Style
Date: 2005-11-29 19:57
Thank you very much....? what is the sliver key?
Post Edited (2005-11-29 20:12)
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Author: Kalakos
Date: 2005-11-29 20:06
Hello again:
On Albert or simple system:
The lowest F is with all fingers down except for left little finger.
The next F is with left thumb and index finger down and right index finger opening second side key.
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Alternate F is with left thumb hole covered and left middle finger covering hole (index finger hole open).
The next F on upper register (register key open) is all left fingers and right index and middle finger down, right ring finger opens lever next to and below middle finger
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Alternate F on upper register (register key open) is all left fingers and right index and ring finger down (middle finger hole is open; this is a fork fingering I think it's called).
Good luck.
Kalakos
Kalakos Music
http://www.TAdelphia.com
Post Edited (2005-11-29 20:10)
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Author: Greek Style
Date: 2005-11-29 20:16
ok good so if i got it right:
x
o (Left middle finger) Covered
x
o (Thumb hole) (Covered)
Is the Alternate F both for Oehler and Albert.
Post Edited (2005-11-29 20:41)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-11-29 21:31
I always assumed Oehler system is the fully laden German system, with the plate for RH 2 instead of the ring, and somewhere in the region of 27 keys (with the low E and F correction key mechanism for the right thumb) - although there aren't as many touchpieces as that.
And I thought anything without the covered RH middle fingerplate (with 6 rings instead of 5) and less than 24 keys is German system and can have between 17 - 24 keys and from 4 - 6 rings, but still a ring for RH middle finger for the B/F# vent instead of a plate as in full Oehlers.
What I want to know is do they count ALL the individual mechanical components when saying 27 keys 5 rings?
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Author: wrowand
Date: 2005-11-29 22:49
They're not talking about keys, they're talking about covered holes. That is, every hole in the clarinet that's not directly covered by a finger has a Klappe covering it.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-11-30 00:32
I see.
I wondered how they got that number as a fully loaded Oehler only has around 18 touches, and the total amount of individual keys if completely taken to bits and counted is probably a lot more than 27. I couldn't see where they got the figure from.
So is that the same for bassoons?
Cheers for clearing that up, wrowand.
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