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Author: MrchngKnightmare
Date: 2005-05-23 17:58
I'm a horrible sightreader... And a horrible soloist... And a horrible audition-ist. And I have an audition with UCF this Saturday. After much asking and searching for the C. Rose book over the last 2 months, going to 4 music stores in 2 counties, being sent the Klose book instead of the C. Rose Book, being sent a copy of music for a song called "Sea Rose", waiting weeks for books to be sent to me and having none arrive... I have been left with nothing to play. I have some old copies of all-county materials, that I am told are from the unobtainable C. Rose book. I'm wondering if there is anywhere I can find some recordings of these etudes being played, as school is out for the summer and I have no one to ask for assistance with these pieces. I just want to make sure I'm playing the melody sort of correctly... At this point, I'd be satisfied with just sounding like someone who has just the faintest idea of how to play the clarinet. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You!
*~*Malaya*~*
[ Post retitled for clarity - GBK ]
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2005-05-23 18:11
You can get a pretty good idea of how a piece is supposed to sound by keying it into a music notation package and playing it back.
OK, it'll sound like a robot rather than a musician, but it's a lot better than nothing.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-05-23 18:26
It isn't that hard to get the Rose etudes ... any competent music store would have them in stock.
Click on the "Sheet Music Plus" link on the right, select "Composer" and
"cyrille rose" as the input.
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-05-23 18:41
Go and download Finale Notepad (or something similar) and key it in, just like David said. That has helped me a lot over the years-it works well with anything that you have trouble with. I've used it for scales, All-State music (which is the Rose), chair tests, etc...
Also, a very good hint that my teacher does with me is on the slow Rose pieces, you should subdivide to the eighth note. So if it's quarter=58, now it's eighth note=116. It REALLY HELPS! Once you get this down, transfer it back into quarter notes to help the piece flow.
Good luck!
[Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with this company or any for that matter]
Oh... if your Rose book never arrives:
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_instruments2.html?cart=33258489602760493&instrument=Clarinet
They have a 20% of sale on woodwind music until June 2nd. The Rose book is only $7.16.
Post Edited (2005-05-23 19:00)
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Author: Llewsrac
Date: 2005-05-23 18:49
Are you referring to the University of Centeral Florida? If so, you may contact me by email. I stand ready to assist .
Llewsrac
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-23 19:34
John Walker has recorded piano accompaniments for all 32 Rose Clarinet Etudes. They are available on CD and published by Carl Fischer ...GBK
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Author: Burt
Date: 2005-05-23 19:40
Playing along with the John Walker accompaniment actually made these etudes fun for me. And it will help you play more musically.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-23 19:52
Clarinetgirl106 wrote:
> Oh... if your Rose book never arrives:
> http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_instruments2.html?cart=33258489602760493&instrument=Clarinet
Rather than purchase the horrible older Carl Fischer edition of the Rose 32 Etudes (cited above), buy the David Hite edition titled: Artistic Studies, Book 1 - From the French School.
It contains the complete Rose 40, the Rose 32 and 9 of the Rode/Rose Caprices.
Also, the newer, corrected Carl Fischer edition of the Rose 32 (edited by Melvin Warner) is the far better choice than the older version...GBK
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-05-23 20:00
I own the Hite Artistic Studies book. It's great! I like the edits/additions that Hite has made-it gives the player somewhere to go with the music. Also contains a nice glossary of terms and some helpful study/practice hints.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-23 20:04
Clarinetgirl06 wrote:
> I own the Hite Artistic Studies book. It's great! I like the
> edits/additions that Hite has made
The David Hite edition borders on being over-edited, but at least the wrong notes and typos have finally been corrected...GBK
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2005-05-23 20:09
>>I'm wondering if there is anywhere I can find some recordings of these etudes being played, as school is out for the summer.
Out for the summer? So when did spring end? Sure your teachers aren't playing a joke on you? They have a pretty mean sense of humour!
Steve
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-05-23 22:14
GBK- Here's what Hite has to say which I agree with:
"Many of the technical etudes have been devoid of dynamic markings in earlier editions. In my teaching experience, I have observed that students tend to practice these etudes in a sterile, unimaginative way. In this edition, I have given each study a marking which will give the student an expressive focus. . . If you disagree with the suggested mood objective, look through the terms to find one that you feel better identifies how the etude can be played. The important thing is that you constantly strive to create a specific musical atmosphere when you play."
"In this edition, I have followed many of Bonade's markings which bring greater direction and life to these etudes. The markings are in some cases exaggerated. However, good strong stylistic playing requires exaggeration to come across effectively to the listener. In any case, the constant direction of tonal intensity must be well understood to be well controlled. As the student masters the etudes as they are marked in the edition and his own musical imagination begins to develop, he will find infinite ways to play this music effectively."
I think it speaks for itself.
That was a lot to type (whew... wipes forehead. lol)
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Author: diz
Date: 2005-05-23 22:20
GBK - seems to me that you need to become an editor and start producing superlative (out of copyright) editions for the BBers.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-23 22:31
Clarinetgirl06 wrote:
> Here's what Hite has to say which I agree with:
[snip]
> I think it speaks for itself.
Melvin Warner, in the revised Carl Fisher version, takes the other side:
"...During the process of preparing this edition, I consulted all of the available versions of the Rose 32 Etudes and the Ferling 48 Etudes, Op. 31 for oboe and saxophone, which were important sources for determining correct notes, articulations, and such... Breath, tempo and other markings have not been added so decisions regarding phrasing, tempo and style may be gleaned from the study of the individual etude using only the markings provided by Rose or Ferling as a guide...."
I highly prefer this method - letting the student (along with the teacher's guidance) discover the interpretation of each etude.
BTW - Hite's use of Italian terms borders on the ridiculous.
Do we really need placidament, calme, pacato, pacatamente, riposatamente and placabilmente when they all essentially mean the same thing?
or how about the difference between deciso and intrepedemente?
or the difference between piangevolmente and lagnoso?
or the difference between lagrimosamente and luttuosamente?
or my absolute favorite: How do you play con tinto?
Mr Hite, we know you speak Italian, but don't shove it down our throats ...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2005-05-24 01:10
con tinto? That's what I say to my hairdresser ...
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-24 01:44
diz wrote:
> con tinto? That's what I say to my hairdresser ...
LOL ! ...GBK
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2005-05-24 08:54
I would suggest that "con tinto" is not Italian but Spanish, and recommends the consumption of red wine before, and possibly during, playing.
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I have the Warner edition, and I suspect I made the right choice.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: The Doctor ★2017
Date: 2005-05-24 13:56
We mourn the recent passing of David Hite. I had many conversations with David before his passing about a range of topics. I was constantly amazed about his breadth and depth of knowledge and associations with the "greats" in the woodwind community. He was however very opinionated about musical interpretation, but with a depth of background and experience in bringing many unknown or little know works into the literature of current repertoire. Given that we know the background of the transcripiton of the Rose etudes from the violin genre into the clarinet world without the obligatory ques for dynamics that many composers impose on their works, I see this as a rich environment for both student and teacher (as suggested by GBK) to develop and enhance the musicality of playing these etudes. It provides the student with the opportunity to develop their own expression and style while encouraging discourse between the student and teacher about the "how" and "why" certain passages were interpreted as they are played. If nothing else (and I think the Hite - Southern Music version is the best value for the money if you just disregard the dynamic markings) it encourages the student to research the meanings of many obtuse Italian dynamics markings and may bring about some meaningful thought processes for the student in developing that mystical trait of musicality.
L. Omar Henderson
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2005-05-24 16:30
I agree with the Doctor on this one for sure, David Hite from my various conversations with him was very good at getting at the root of the problematic nature of the Rose Etudes and edited them wonderfully. He was also a very intimate freind with some very major clarinet players and his editions reflect years and years of working on coming up with a Rose Edition which I feel surpasses any other. The other aspect of the Southern Music editions is the quality of the paper and the clarity of the markings. They also reflect a desire to find the right metronomic feel for each study and have dynamics added which Carl Fischer never attempt to add. Some of the Rose Studies have origins in other works like Bach Violin pieces or Kreutzer sonatas...so they also yield rich interpretive dividends for the serious performer as well.
David Dow
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-24 18:39
D Dow wrote:
> They also reflect a desire to find
> the right metronomic feel for each study and have dynamics
> added which Carl Fischer never attempt to add.
David... Have you looked at the newly revised/corrected Carl Fischer version of the Rose 32, edited by Melvin Warner?
Dynamic markings, which for the most part were lacking in the faster, even numbered etudes, have now been tastefully added and corrected where necessary. Typos and misprints have been fixed.
I DO like the Hite edition of the Rose 32 for the work he has done fixing many of the glaring errors in the old Carl Fischer publication, and the Artisitic Studies series of books are a very good value for the price, but the excessive clutter of Italian expressive terms is annoying and unnecessary...GBK
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Author: Robert Moody
Date: 2005-05-27 10:41
Malaya,
I see that the post that started this thread was your only post. IF you are still around, reading quietly, I wanted to offer that if you let me know the number of the etudes you have from the Rose studies, I'd be happy to play them for you and put the recordings up for you to hear online. Let me know.
My email is listed in my name link on the message.
Take care,
Robert Moody
http://www.musix4me.com
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