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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2005-05-11 12:15
Hi everyone
After a recent masterclass with a well-known clarinetist from the US as well as my teacher's suggestion, I'd like to study in the US. At the moment I'm looking for full scholarships.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Also, do many US universities offer their own private scholarships to international students?
Thanks in advance.
PS. I'd be coming from Australia if that helps!
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-05-11 12:22
just out of curiosity, who was that clarinetist?
-Lindsie
Post Edited (2005-05-12 15:36)
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Author: Richard Ashmore
Date: 2005-05-11 12:55
Music scholarships do exist, at least they did 40 years ago when I got one:-)
All the details vary wildly from school to schoo, so you'll have to check with each school individually:-(
Richard
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-05-11 13:12
I auditioned at Hartt and they offered scholarships based on talent. anywhere from $4000 to full tutition. I think they mainly went to perfomance majors though. I wasn't offered one (I'm an ed. major), which made the clarinet teacher there rather peeved, but maybe that's how a lot of schools work? talent based scholarships?
but yea, Richard is right, you'll have to contact the schools individually...or look on their websites to find out about their scholarship policies
-Lindsie
Post Edited (2005-05-12 15:36)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-05-11 13:47
music_is_life wrote:
> I auditioned at Hartt and they offered scholarships based on
> talent. anywhere from $4000 to full tutition.
Full tuition scholarships based on solely on talent are incredibly rare at major schools. Normally, if a full tuition scholarship is granted, it will be on a combitation of talent and need.
The way need is computed is a more like "how far in hock can we make your parents go?" If you're parent's combined income is much over 40K USD and they own a house and have any sort of retirement set aside, you don't qualify as needy. Your parents will just qualify as broke 
Like me
(One kid through CIM, one with one more year at U of Mich, and one 2 years away from starting college ...)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2005-05-11 14:05
Hi,
For a state university to offer a full grant of any kind to an international student would be quite rare (unless there is a specific grant earmarked for that purpose and the institution wants to court more foreign students). Since tax dollars are the primary souce of revenue for most such schools, the main focus is on students from that state first. At the graduate level, the situation may be slightly different, however.
HRL
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2005-05-11 14:06
At my university, there are two ways to get a scholarship from the university for music:
1) Be really, really good at an instrument we don't have enough of.
2) After being around for a year, audition for continuing student scholarships, which range from $500 to $4000.
Clarinetists are a dime a dozen these days, in my experience. If you're looking for scholarships, check all available sources; you might find a foundation or corporation that sponsors people in some situation that you qualify for.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-05-11 15:27
mark- what about a single parent with one kid in college (9 kids total...all but 3 "grown") who claims about $25,000 a year?
I'd say full scholarships are pretty hard to come by. i was told this school didn't do it based off need. what do I know? *shrug*
-Lindsie
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Author: SueSmith
Date: 2005-05-11 15:39
I can only speak of several schools in Boston...but it may apply to other places around the country.
It depends. If you are a string player from a European country, you will most likely get a big chunk to a full ride at NEC or Boston Conservatory. 10 years ago I got 15K to go to BU, but the school in total cost 30K then...
and yes, clarinetists are a dime a dozen...and on the whole, they are treated on a "lesser" level than string players when it comes to scholarship money. Most flutists don't get any....its a supply and demand scenario as well as a prestige statemement.
A soon to be famed Syrian clarinetists got $10K at Boston conservatory about 4 years ago...a school hurting for stellar wind players, and he didn't even get a full ride as a grad student. (Yet a subpar violists got a full ride for 4 years) The next year he left and went to Juilliard.
Now, Indiana is a huge school...aren't there about 4 or 5 orchestras? I had befriended a clarinetists who went there for his undergrad a few years back, he claimed over 100 clarinetists in total in the program. Now some were probably ed majors, but still...talk about a big pond.
Also, don't forget what a pain in the butt moving to a foreign country for 4 years will be...US is an expensive place to live, and you will need to get a work visa to eat and pay the rent...the plane ticket home on holiday's when the school is closed. (Many schools don't even allow people to stay on campus during Thanksgiving 4 day holiday in November, so you would have to shack up somewhere) There are loans available, but I don't think a foreign student can apply for federal loans or grants available to citizens...that help many American students out.
Unfortunately, college life as a music student ... unless you are rich, is a tough road. I can only imagine the added stress as a foreign student without the cushion of a fullride.
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Author: William Hughes ★2017
Date: 2005-05-11 17:29
From the Indiana University School of Music web-site:
"Need-Based Financial Aid
Each year, students at Indiana University Bloomington receive more than $280 million in financial aid, including scholarships, grants, loans, and income from work-study jobs. More than half of the students in the School of Music receive aid. (Please note that international students are not eligible for federally funded, need-based assistance.) For comprehensive information about all types of financial aid, see the Web site of the Office of Student Financial Assistance for the Bloomington campus.
Scholarships
The School of Music is committed to recognizing exceptional talent through merit-based scholarships and awards. Each year, the school awards more than $5 million in scholarship funds. All applicants to the School of Music are automatically considered for music scholarships based on their audition, portfolio, or interview results. Students are notified of School of Music awards by April 1."
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2005-05-11 23:52
Thanks William, I looked that info up as well, I don't think I qualify for ANY of those!
I wasn't necessarily looking to enter a course, just to study privately with a teacher at the very least.
By the way I'm looking at graduate opportunities, I'm in my final year of undergrad.
Thanks for all the info, keep it coming!
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Author: marcia
Date: 2005-05-12 02:40
Just for the record-James Campbell is Canadian. He lives inthe U.S
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Author: Llewsrac
Date: 2005-05-12 03:48
Morrigan,
Let's see, last week you posted how unfair you felt you were treated and rated in a performance audition, and your current University's Solo Competition.
This week you want to leave Australia, come to the U.S., study Clarinet privately, take no course work, and recieve a full scholarship to do this.
Is this correct?
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Author: diz
Date: 2005-05-12 03:53
Morrigan ... the US Congress has just passed a bill allowing up to 10,000 Aussies each year to work in the US for two years - including spouses and children. Criteria is a little sketchy at present but the minimum is tertiary degree qualified and be able to find a sponsoring US company. Previously we have had a tough time getting into the US - this is part the (diasterous) US/Australia (so called) free trade agreement.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2005-05-12 04:31
I think you would have to undertake some coursework to get any sort of scholarship (scholar - referring to schooling!). Maybe a Churchill Fellowship would be worth looking into (if you didn't want to do a graduate qualification). Look up the Australian Guide of Philanthropy (don't know the address but you should be able to google it).
By the way
Llewsrac
I don't think the two things you mentioned are connected. Don't degrade Morrigan's intelligence.
I understand your sentiment about the scholarship without coursework but you could be much more diplomatic.
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2005-05-12 11:31
Thanks Alexis, my sentiments exactly. At least I'm moving on and not brooding over it like I was last week; moving on and accepting it is what everyone said I should do.
Thanks for that info Diz - there's actually a US Study Center which I'm going to visit. This sorta thing is their job!
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Author: allencole
Date: 2005-05-12 17:30
Comments directed towards Morrigan may be a bit blunt, but this may be to his ultimate benefit. Certainly the questions presented are valid, and there is plenty of reason to perceive a cause and effect in the two things mentioned.
As for private study without coursework....WHY? If you don't have to take classes, why not get an undemanding job and live simply while studying clarinet? Choose who you want for a teacher, move to that city and get to work.
While talent and need are indeed big scholarship factors, let's not forget the needs of the institution involved. Isn't that really where so many full rides come from? (I don't call these 'free' rides because the recipient is expected to provide the institution with reliable performance on things like viola, bassoon, etc. that meet a need for that school) If you just take private lessons without contributing back to the institution, why should anyone compensate you? (reread and absorb Sue Smith's post)
Morrigan, I think that you're getting distracted from your real goals by non-musical issues that will confront you anywhere and in any profession. Clarinetists are numerous and there are many excellent players vying for position within a very narrow niche, both educationally and professionally. Your first job, wherever you are, is to get your nose to the grindstone and persevere.
Success can be yours, but you might be surprised at the path which leads you there. You cannot control the politics of it. You can only control your own skills and attitude. Keep your eyes on the road ahead and don't have a wreck from staring at all the billboards.
Allen Cole
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Author: donald
Date: 2005-05-12 19:57
as someone who studied in the US at graduate level for 4 years i have lots of useful advice Morrigan.... only i don't have much time right now....
my first university- a teaching assistantship and choral scholarship (bass singers were in short supply that year!) ALMOST paid my way (this was, of course, living at a much lower "standard of living" than the locals- no car, no holidays in New York etc)
my seccond university- full fee scholarship but no money for living on. i worked 20 hours a week (the max if you are on a student visa, and it MUST BE ON CAMPUS) and then another 10 illegal hours.... and practised until my head fell off.... didn't make much headway through a DMA, my playing improved but my tone not (i didn't have money for reeds so was constantly trying to resurect the useless reed from the box)
on the other hand, a friend of mine (a prettty darn good Pianist who now plays/teaches in Germany) got a "full ride" at a school in WA state- not the best school, but she got some good teaching, $800 a month to live on and didn't have to worry about anything financially for two years.
SO it can be done
US Immigration restrictions on students are quite difficult, and one thing to remember is that even though one may be able to survive comfortably on $400 US, in order to get the visa you have to provide evidence that you have access to funding for your course, and the "living" amount they require is far above what you actually need. A number of people i know got around this by getting a rich person to sign a document stating that they could provide funds as required.
Often it is possible to get around the rules (and work of campus, for instance) but this is usually at the discretion of the International office on Campus (if you want to do it legally). In New York it would appear that people just do what they want and no one cares.... but in smaller cities it is a bit more obvious/dificult.... plus places like Bloomington don't have that many opportunities that you can take advantage of without owning a CAR.....
sorry no time to write more
donald
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