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Author: lejt
Date: 2005-05-08 21:01
I'm looking for a picture of Anton Stadler, can anyone help?
Thanks,
Lois
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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-05-08 21:44
This is the best I could find:
http://www.jinyinusa.com/willmann.gif
Good luck!
-Tyler
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Author: ken
Date: 2005-05-08 22:51
Attachment: cocker4.jpg (12k)
Here's a rare likeness of Stadler I chance-discovered in a little mom and pop woodwind shop in Salzburg.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-05-08 23:00
Here...or at least a woodcut showing his special basset clarinet
Well I tried to add it but failed.....later
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Post Edited (2005-05-09 01:52)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-08 23:06
Tyler wrote:
> This is the best I could find:
> http://www.jinyinusa.com/willmann.gif
That is NOT Stadler. It is Thomas Willman, the premiere clarinetist and soloist in England in the early part of 19th century.
For a silhouette of Anton Stadler look in Weston's Clarinet Virtuosi of the Past, plate #4 ...GBK
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-05-09 00:09
WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS HOLDING IT INCORRECTLY!!! that never fails to annoy me. stupid artsy clarinet-ignorant photographers/artists. >:o
-Lindsie
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-05-09 12:54
The most complete info re: A S [+ insts and music] that I have seen is in Al Rice's book, Clarinet in Classical Period, however if there is a pic of some sort, I have yet to read all refs and find it, comprehensive ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-05-09 13:07
What I was trying to post is part of the Rigo woodcut (?) that show a presumptive AS playing. It is in side view and shows that the bell is pointed back towards the knees.
I had it stored somewhere on my computer but alas it has succombed to the dark forces of corrupted filedom.
A search only yieded the horn without the playah'
Help.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-05-09 19:59
Alseg - This Basset Clarinet [only] engraving is Pic'd on pg 73 of Al Rice's book [about $75, and worth more, IMHO], with quite a bit [4pgs] of discussion. Yes, the bell points back toward the player, it appears to be a reed-on-upper-lip config., appearing to have perhaps as many as 6-8 keys. It is credited [program] to having been played by A S March 21 1794 in Riga, Latvia [Fundemental Library info.] . There are several pages more of discussion of Bas. CLs , as well as of other insts of that vintage. As I said, VERY comprehensive, READ, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2005-05-09 21:40
Yes, I do play the clarinet. But I still can't see what's wrong with the way he's holding it. Please explain?
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-05-10 01:29
Don, that pic was once linked on this website....I can not find it now.
Anyone know where it is?
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-05-10 12:24
Sorry Glenn, but that is not the one I meant.
There is another woodcut showing someone playing it....standing position, view from the side of the performer (presumptively Stadler) and likely from a playbill or pre-concert flyer distributed when Stadler would arrive in your shtetl and set up a concert.
I think it was once available on this site near the section that has Mozarts dice game and the two bullfinches.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-05-10 14:07
I believe you are rite, Alseg, I have some recall of "something like it". I usually put these old/strange inst sites in my Fav. Places quickly. Looking for "your pic", I stumbled back on the "jerselmer.free fr" cl site which has 5 pics of Bas. C's of this design shown, for extended interest ? I'll look farther, here and elsewhere, later today, "yours" may be hiding somewhere. !! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-05-10 15:11
Betcha Leeson knows where it is hiding....somewhere in a portmanteau in Alsace.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-05-10 17:09
Prob. Alseg, ask him. Looking thru what I have, a few copied pages of "Mozart" by Wg Hildesheimer, [there are many more-look in libraries], Al Rice makes mention of Colin Lawson's Moz, re: 3 programs from A S's Riga Tour, and several web-sites of sellers/replicators, mostly British where Tony Bingham's shows some old pics of people, and might respond to a request hopefully. I'll look in other Moz books in our libraries, but have run out of ideas. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-10 18:09
I doubt that Dan Leeson knows.
The same question (picture of Anton Stadler) was posed simultaneously on the klarinet mailing list. Dan said that he had never seen either a picture or silhouette of Stadler.
When I mentioned to him that there was a silhouette of Anton Stadler in Pamela Weston's book, Dan was not aware of it...GBK
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Author: jim S.
Date: 2005-05-10 20:20
Oh Lordy! Don't resurrect that authenticity issue of eight years ago with Leeson, or we will be hearing complaint's that performers are not using an authentic basset horn with the plumber's friend bell turned backwards as Mozart wanted.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-05-11 15:58
As posted on the Klarinet board, Pamela Weston's book Clarinet Virtuosi of the Past includes a silhouette of Stadler from the Deutsche
Staatsbibliothek, Berlin. Dan Leeson says he knows of no portrait and hadn't previously heard of the silhouette.
See http://www.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2005/05/000173.txt and http://www.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2005/05/000175.txt
The discussion is continuing, so there may be more to learn.
Last summer, I heard Eric Hoeprich play a wonderful Mozart Quintet on a reproduction he made of the Riga program instrument. Afterward, he let me see and handle it. It's wonderfully light, and considerably smaller than it looks in the drawing. The drawing apparently shows the reed on top, which was the way Stadler is said to have played. Eric plays with the reed on the bottom and said he couldn't do it the other way.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-05-11 16:11
Well, at least is is not a fig newton of my imagination.
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