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Author: moose6589
Date: 2005-04-24 04:22
Hi,
I've recently been looking for a new clarinet stand, and after reading some stuff from the archives, I've settled on a K&M stand. However, WWBW lists two different models, one with 3 legs and one with 4. I don't think either will fit inside a bell as they are both around 18 cm long.
Which one should I buy? The 4-leg one should be more stable, but then again, looking at the picture, the 3-leg one appears to be more sturdy and is made with metal legs. Has anyone tried the 4-leg one? How do they compare?
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2005-04-24 04:53
Never seen a 4-leg one. I'm very satisfied with my 3-legged stand.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2005-04-24 05:33
They are very different.
The 3-leg is self-sufficient and folds up. It is too large to fit into the bell.
The 4-leg requires pegs to be purchased separately. There is room for one peg in each leg. For example, I have 3 pegs: Bb, A, Eb. You can just as well put flute, oboe, etc. pegs in as well.
It folds in half, though more than two pegs will obstruct the folding somewhat. It is less portable than the 3-leg, but I carry one around with me so it's not awful.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: moose6589
Date: 2005-04-24 08:00
Attachment: 12366.jpg (19k)
Hmm, perhaps we are referring to different stands? Here is WWBW's listing of what I am talking about.
http://www.wwbw.com/Konig-and-Meyer-Folding-Clarinet-Stands-i80655.music?
I will also attach a picture from WWBW so you know what it looks like.
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Author: kenb
Date: 2005-04-24 11:18
moose,
I have a couple of K&M stands, the same 4-leg model shown in your attachment. Very sturdy. Haven't seen the 3-leg model for comparison.
The legs are hinged to a threaded boss that screws into the base of the 'cone' part of the stand. The legs fold to stow inside the cone and the whole thing fits very neatly into the bell and lower joint of the clarinet.
This, of course, is assuming that you have the type of case where the bell and lower joint can remain assembled.
Ken
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Author: VermontJM
Date: 2005-04-24 14:05
I have the four leg and it's great.
I had a "Pak-a Stand" but it's just made out of plastic and a leg snapped off- the K&M legs are metal and are REALLY sturdy.
Mine is a regular old Buffet case- the bell and barrel are in line with eachother in the case and the foam between them is so worn that the stand fits in my case- it goes in the bell and barrel.
BTW, this thing is great- it fits my Eb, which the Pak-A-Stand never did.
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2005-04-24 14:46
EEBaum is right about :
>>It is too large to fit into the bell.
So I pack it in the bigger back-pack along with scorebooks and score files.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-04-24 14:50
As usual, it depends on your ideas about using stands at all. If you double or play two or more clarinets then you need a "heavyweight" stand with pegs.....which won't even fit in your clarinet case. If it's for band type playing get the kind that is very small and folds up small enought to fit in your bell........and don't ever leave your clarinet on it unless you're present when someone knocks it over. OR, get a single peg heavy stand........with the same caution as above. Don't rely on any stand to protect your horn when you're not sitting beside it.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Joe B
Date: 2005-04-24 23:27
I have the 4-leg stand and found it to be too long. I trimmed off about one inch off the end and it fits better in my Buffet case. There is no need for it to be as long as they made it. It just goes a little ways into the barrel.
Joe
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Author: Mike Blinn
Date: 2005-04-24 23:27
I have the four-legged model and I like it very much. Unfortunately, it will not fit in the bell of my clarinet, but it fits well in the side pocket of my Leblanc LX case.
Mike Blinn
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-04-25 09:40
I use the 3-leg stand and I like it better than the 4-leg stand. I'm sure both are fine, but I prefer the 3-leg stand for a few reasons. It has metal legs and the legs look longer. Also a 3-leg stand will never be wobbly but a 4-leg stand can be wobbly for example if the floor is not exactly straight etc.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-04-25 14:47
I have one of the 3-leg stands and like it very much. A small problem is that the rubber tips slip off the ends of the three legs, and no type of glue holds them on.
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Author: Ron Jr.
Date: 2005-04-25 14:51
I have the 3 leg K&M stand. I like it because it feels very stable. It has one major drawback: as the condensation drips down the inside bell and onto the stand, the water gets trapped between the bell and the stand.
I bought my K&M stand several years ago and had been using it for a couple of months when I noticed a lightish color water stain around the bottom of my bell. After playing for an hour I saw that the position of the stain exactly corresponded with the water accumulation on the stand. It would be if you had a wet plastic surface and stood your clarinet atop it. The water would be drawn from the rest of the table and make a ring of water under the clarinet.
My solution was to place three of those round green felt things that you put on the bottom of household objects to prevent them from scratching. This keeps the clarinet bell away from the plastic stand. You need about coin's thickness of space between the stand and the bell. This way condensation drips down the inside of the bell and doesn't get trapped.
In time the water stain disappeared and my horn is back to normal.
Good luck,
Ron Jr.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-04-25 15:46
About Ken Shaw's problem, it happened to me too, and I used white silicone (there are many types of silicone, I used the type you use to seal things around the house etc). It isn't perfect, but they didn't fall for about a year so far, and no one abuses their clarinet stand more than me.
Ron Jr. about your problem, what did you use the stand for? Sounds like maybe you used to keep your clarinet there. I learned that is a bad idea. I use the stand only in concerts usually when I have to switch between Bb and bass clarinets often. I never had this problem.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2005-04-25 17:06
try polyurethane glue ; it works on just about anything
i have a jar from home depot or lowes labeled 'elmer's conractors grade pro-bond polyurethane glue'
careful, it doesn't take much - it expands quite a bit as it sets, you only need to use a few small drops
i use the 3 legged stands, i have about 5 or 6 of them, they work well.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: MSK
Date: 2005-04-30 20:10
I have the 3- leg stand & the gal next to me has the 4 leg one. She ordered hers online thinking she was getting the 3 leg one & was a little dissappointed but decided it wasn't worth shipping back. The 4 leg one has shorter legs that theoretically makes it a little less stable as does the extra leg. In reality it seems nearly as stable as the 3-leg (& much better than the pack-a-stand). She finds having to screw the legs onto the cone a nuisance. On the plus side it takes up less space in your gig bag or backpack. It is not small enough to pack inside the bell in either of our cases.
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Author: chicagoclar
Date: 2005-04-30 20:30
I have both and they both work fine. I usually use the 3 leg, because it's faster to pull out. It does take a little more space up in the case, but I have a good amount of space in my double case for stands. Basically it's a personal choice.
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2005-04-30 21:31
I bought a K&M stand for my son's trumpet and it has 5 legs! Too big to use for a clarinet - but I'm working on it! ;-)
Steve
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Author: Malcolm Martland
Date: 2005-05-02 16:24
I have the 4 leg which unscrews and fits in the bell - but the peg is too long for my case so I have to relocate the barrel. I'll follow the suggestion of cutting the end off the peg. Otherwise it is excellent and stable.
Malcolm
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Author: Steve B.
Date: 2005-05-02 18:41
Has anyone tried the Buffet/BG type stands that are basically 2 pieces of plastic that cross interlock and come apart to fold flat. They seem to be a good idea although I'm not sure how stable they would be.
Steve
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-02 18:58
Steve B. wrote:
> They seem to be a good idea although I'm not sure how
> stable they would be.
They're not.
Would YOU trust your clarinet to a stand which will go over with the slightest touch?
Not me...
Get a Blayman stand. Simply - the best.
Rock solid, heavy and topple free. I've NEVER seen one go over.
Worth its weight (pun intended) in gold...GBK
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Author: fredackerman
Date: 2005-05-02 22:57
Yes! Blayman is absolutely the finest, GBK recommended this stand when I inquired some time back and he was on the mark. I guess I'd equate this to putting a $7000.00 camera on a $20.00 tripod!
Fred
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Author: MC
Date: 2005-05-03 01:12
Ditto the kudos for the Blayman stand. I've used mine for many, many years (more than I care to count...). No spills -- not even a close call. I have two -- one stays in my car (you never know when a concert might break out!) and one lives in my office at home. I've experimented with other stands, including the K&M -- keep going back to the Blayman.
MC
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Author: BassetHorn
Date: 2005-05-03 17:15
Hello, I bought a K & M contrabassoon stand to use with my Leblanc paperclip. It works great either with the peg withdrawn or extended.
The stand comes with a much wider top brace, lined with felt, and comfortably accommodates the top coil of the paperclip with rooms to spare, and the soup-bowl shaped bottom cup also fit the bottom coil really well.
With the extra room, I can even fit a bass clarinet or straight-body contra alto. The stand can fit 2 straight body horns comfortably due to its wide top brace and large bottom cup. It would be ideal for doublers of alto, bass, or contra.
Willy
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