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 Advice on mouthpieces
Author: sanya 
Date:   2005-02-19 12:26

Okay, so I have a pretty crappy clarinet. It's a rental that my school does for me (from a pretty good company, though), and I don't even know what brand it is because the name is faded from the bell -- starts with an A, though. I love it anyway, because it's the only clarinet I have. I heard somewhere, though, that mouthpieces really affect one's intonation. I can't really afford to buy a whole clarinet, but a mouthpiece is a start. What is a good mouthpiece I can put my money towards? Thank you.

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: Sea Galan 
Date:   2005-02-19 13:31

Hey Sanya, I have been fighting the same problem with mouthpieces and I'm learning to play the clarinet by myself. I have been experimenting with different mouthpieces, ligatures and reeds. I don't know how advanced you are with the instrument. I have been messing with it for close to six months only and I'm sure that the better the clarinet the better the sound BUT only if you know how to play. I'm just guessing but a professional can play with a cheap clarinet and make it sound good while a beggininer, like me, can make a very expensive clarinet sound terrible. I tried several mouthpieces at the music store and of the few that I tried the one that felt better for me was a Vandoren B-45. I did hear an improvement in the sound. My next move was find a ligature that would "match" the new mouthpiece. I tried several ligatures and decided on a Rovner L-5. I use Vandoren #2 reeds. Of course this is what works for me and maybe it might not work for you. You might be thinking: what's this guy doing giving me suggestions when I probably know more and can probably play the clarinet better than he? I'm sure you are right. I'm only passing on my experiences. If you can find a music store that have different mouthpices that they will let you try before buying do it. Just buying mouthpieces and then realizing that it does not work for you will get very expensive. Good luck. Carlos

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: Robert Moody 
Date:   2005-02-19 15:23

Hey Sanya. First of all, good for you playing clarinet and looking to find out what you can do to get better. That instrument from the school could be better than you might think despite the situation (rental, etc.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Advice One ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There will be a LOT of advice coming very soon, but I wanted to put something into your thought process to use when considering everyone's remarks about the "best" mouthpieces: The clarinet and mouthpiece work together.

Okay, I know that sounds rather rudimentary but that the point is missed so often demands I mention it. With that said, I suggest that you do not shoot for a $150 to $300 "Super-duper Special Person's Name Here"-brand. My suggestion is that you go for a solid, dependable professional mouthpiece that quite often professionals use as back-ups to their $150 to $300 "Super-duper Special Person's Name Here"-brand.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Advice Two ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reeds and mouthpieces work together! Okay, okay. More classic advice that even my Downs brother has figured out. Nevertheless, I submit that you consider when you move up to a professional level mouthpiece, you need to think about quality reeds. So I will also offer advice on a solid route for choosing reeds.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Suggestion ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

With those two simple points mentioned, I would like to suggest a single name; Vandoren.

The reason I suggest Vandoren is dependability, time-tested, usability, popularity. This goes for both the reeds and mouthpieces.

In mouthpieces consider the "RV" series from Vandoren. My personal experience was that my first "professional" mouthpiece was a 2RV on a mid-level wood Noblet (Leblanc) clarinet. I have tried many of the Vandoren mouthpieces and think for simple, generic, solid response, tone and good for reeds, the RVs seem fine. I would recommend going to a local store and asking to try several with your clarinet.

[Disclaimer: I am in no way suggesting that the other models and/or brands are not just as suitable. My recommendation is made from experience with young people moving up that these mouthpieces are dependable and a good choice for introduction into professional level equipment.]

Later, when you've worked up into investing into a professional clarinet, I would suggest then that you consider finding that $150 to $300 "Super-duper Special Person's Name Here"-brand. Certainly, the Vandoren mouthpieces will be more than suffice until then.

As for reeds, let me put my coat of gusari on and say that I've played with a number of different reeds over the years and Vandorens (I use V12s) are a solid contender and fit the Vandoren mouthpieces quite well (go figure [cool] ). Only advice there is don't buy a box of 10 if you are changing reeds. Buy three or four individual reeds and see how you like the change.

One last thing about purchasing the (any) mouthpiece: Do not go to the store knowing you are coming home "with a mouthpiece". You HAVE a mouthpiece right now and it plays. Make sure when you go to the store you are buying something BETTER, not just something new. Take your time and play the mouthpieces on YOUR clarinet with different reeds. If none of them "speak to you", then find another store or different mouthpieces to try. Even though the Vandorens run in the $50 to $100 range, it is still not throw-away money. You could very well take that mouthpiece to college and play your first professional gigs quite successfully on it! Please, don't just go and buy one because you are excited (unless, of course, you are a millionaire and can buy 20 or 30 mouthpieces at a whim...but then you wouldn't be waiting to buy a clarinet either, would you [right] ). Make sure it is the best one for you and do not be afraid to leave the store without it. I doubt very seriously that it will not be there if you decide to come back after trying others.

Anyway...I'm rambling—a technique I've developed to make hour lessons for 9 and 10-year-olds pass by quicker. [right] Why parents thing 9-year-olds MUST have an hour lesson is a mystery to me.

Good luck and be sure to read all the advice. These people offer some gems at times!

Robert Moody
http://www.musix4me.com
Free Clarinet Lessons and Digital Library!

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: smiley 
Date:   2005-02-19 16:47

I play on a vandoren paris 5RV which i got from my local music store and as soon as i put it on my plastic $500 clarinet, it sounded almost as good as my $2500 wooden one. The mouthpiece cost me about $80, which I thought seemed crazy (I never had really thought about what kind of mouthpiece i played on until I chipped my old one during marching band and needed to buy a new one), but it was really worth it.

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: pewd 
Date:   2005-02-19 18:26

fwiw, several hundred students in the district i teach in play a vandoren 5RV-lyre, rovner dark ligature, and vandoren traditional #3 or #3.5 reeds. works well for most of them.

-paul

- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: music_is_life 
Date:   2005-02-19 23:22

I love the Hite Premiere mouth piece.

EDIT: WHOOPS!! that info is for the pro, model D, not premiere, but the site is still good! (and the premiere is still Hite, just student model)

121-D
J&D Hite
Bb clarinet mouthpiece
Model D

David Hite, Inc.
239-947-8803
info@jdhite.com
www.jdhite.com

try some out. I LOVE my MP! (*I think it was around $60, but you can check that out by calling or visiting the websites I gave you*)

note: I tried several Vandoren MPs; they're decent, but I'm not a huge fan. try 'em out, but I'm sticking with my recommendation of Hite!


EDIT: oh yea, ligatures are good for better intonation too- I have a Rovner Mark III ligature. I don't have all the info on them, but they're nice ligs. They give you a nice, dark, woody sound. (stray from the metal ligs, they give you a loud, unfocused sound. fabric ligs are MUCH better. I can't remember how much they cost, but they're worth it!)

EDIT 2: sheesh! how dumb I am! REEDS! Make sure you have nice reeds too. DONT use rico royals or michel luries. what I like are the Vandorens. I didn't especially like the Vandoren V-12s, but check those out if you're interested. Also- Gonzalez reeds are nice. They come in quarter sizes, so they're nice and exact. Also try Zonda. I stopped using them because I didn't fall in love, but you might like them.
warning: Gonzalez reeds tend to be $18-24 per box. however, for good reeds, you have to pay a gefty price. a box of 10 Vandorens cost me $20 last time I got reeds. $17 with luck.

Good Luck ;)

-Lindsie



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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: GBK 
Date:   2005-02-19 23:40

music_is_life wrote:

> a box of 20
> Vandorens cost me $20 last time I got reeds. $17 with luck.


A box of 20 Vandorens (??) for $20 dollars (??)

Is that the special packaging which no one else in the free world is aware of?

I suggest you stock up on those [wink] ...GBK



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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: music_is_life 
Date:   2005-02-19 23:44

whoops! me and my typos! I meant to say TEN (*smack!*)

-Lindsie



Post Edited (2005-02-23 02:39)

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: GBK 
Date:   2005-02-19 23:47

music_is_life wrote:

> stray from the metal ligs, they give you a loud, unfocused sound.



Stanley Drucker has used the same standard metal ligature for over 50 years.

Robert Marcellus used an inverted Bonade for most of his career.

It didn't hold either of them back ...GBK

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: music_is_life 
Date:   2005-02-19 23:59

well for younger clarinetists then! if you are just learning... I can play on a metal lig, just as my teacher or any pro can, but the quality of sound still is SO much better on a fabric ligature! sure, play on a metal, but I'm telling you, for anybody, ESPECIALLY beginners or intermediates, fabric is the way to go.

ROVNER (Mark III)

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: mkybrain 
Date:   2005-02-20 01:00

A lot of *personal opinion* stuff being discussed here. However i did just buy a Pyne Handwoven ligature and love it. Before i used an optimum which i was happy with for a while. It's all about personal tastes and experimentation. The only thing that could hold anybody back is money, i believe. Of couse the best idea is to go with whatever a good private teacher suggests. Using the "search" function on this forum, you can find, i think, almost anything you need to know about clarinet.

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: music_is_life 
Date:   2005-02-23 02:37

I was wondering about mouthpieces... I have heard that the tip opening is what makes the difference between a bright sound and a dark sound, and that open mouthpieces are supposedly less resistent, hence the ability to produce a louder sound. However, I have not had experiences that match these conclusions, and perhaps you'll just tell me that my old mouthpieces just "suck", but here are my conclusions: wider tip opening on Bundy = more resistence, less sound production, a bit of a buzz to it, despite where the reed is. a wider tip opening on buffet = louder sound, brighter, but seems to have more resistence than my current hite... then about the same tip opening on old hite, yet brighter. however, the new chip on the tip might account for that one... and then my current MP- smallest tip opening of the four, least resistent, darkest sound quality.

confused? yes I am.

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: RodRubber 
Date:   2005-02-23 02:54

I played for a couple seasons in an italian opera orchestra. The players there have come to the general conclusion that the ligature has only the slightest if any effect on the sound. Only in America are we sooo obsessed with mouthpieces and ligs etc. (myself included)



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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: music_is_life 
Date:   2005-02-23 13:35

but doesn't it have an effect? my teacher told me that the more fabric, the darker the sound... and different MPs make different sound quality too, i.e. darker, brighter... and, though some people play on metal ligs fine, I still think they give one a brighter sound, which is fine, but I like the darker, woody sound myself. And I know that my friend has a fabric lig, but it has less fabric than mine, and he plays brighter than I do... though, that could be any number of things I suppose- different MP, different thickness in reeds or different brand...embrochure, etc.
but I think ligs have an effect of quality of sound, as do MPs.
just MY

OPINION! [grin]

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2005-02-23 14:38

My take is that ligatures DO have an effect on the sound. Sometimes a big effect, sometimes little effect. So I say just find what works, and stick with it. I'm using a strip of blue velcro.

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: Sea Galan 
Date:   2005-02-24 13:57

Good morning. I'm using a Rovenr, L-5. Mainly because it is easy to install. It also seems to make the sound better. I can't really explain the difference it just sounds better to the ear. On the other hand I have noticed that mostly all performers that I have seen use the metal types. Why is that? Carlos

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: Dan Shusta 
Date:   2005-02-24 17:58

MIL,

Perhaps the following article by Tom Ridenour will help you learn a little bit more about mpcs:

http://www.ridenourclarinetproducts.com/articles/facings.htm

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 Re: Advice on mouthpieces
Author: Kowin 
Date:   2008-12-18 00:17

Honestly, in my opinion, I would suggest the Vandoren M30, it's what I'm using on both my Buffet B12(Still a freshman in high school here) and on my Buffet Tosca(I had to buy this crap with my own money...) Of course it's all about personal preference, and the standard "stock" mouthpiece that came with the B12 worked just fine.... until this year when I noticed that the sound is now becoming dull. I recently bought the M30 a couple months back, and it has really made all the difference. You've probably read all the horror stories about Vandorens too, never had that problem, never had a unplayable reed from a box of Vandorens. I can get 10 for 10 dollars, and each of them are at least concert quality, and I always manage to get the 3-5 that make my B12 sound like a high end clarinet. Now I'm rambling, honestly, I think if you're using a student clarinet, you should use Vandoren traditionals with the M30... at least in the case of the Buffet B12. I use the same for the Tosca, except I'm using Rue Lepics.

Of course, I'm pretty sure all the Vandoren horror stories are true, I must live in a state that gets the good Vandoren reeds. No one I know has ever gotten a bad reed from Vandoren, or a bad Vandoren product. I thinking Vandoren just randomly chose 1- 5 states that gets the amazing reeds, while they send the rejects to all the others. Glad I live in one of those lucky states.

ANYWAYS.. I got off topic again
Go for the M30... if you aren't living in Tennessee, then you will need to try multiple ones, from what I've heard, but it's well worth it, if you can find a mouthpiece that was meant for the other states with the good one's



Post Edited (2008-12-18 22:10)

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