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Author: diz
Date: 2004-11-02 21:15
In 1958 the Cleveland Orchestra recorded a superb cycle of Schumann symphonies ... I recently purchased this on a remastered double CD. In my opinion this is about as good as it gets, really (boy, am I gonna get shot down for the presumption).
GBK - who was principal clarinet in those days, do you know?
Also, I had no idea just how beautiful the art deco finish in the interior of the Concert Hall is ... simply stunning (mental note, visit Ohio).
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2004-11-02 21:18)
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-11-02 21:23
Marcellus is in all four symphonies.
BTW, in that double Sony Masterworks Heritage set try to find the ones packaged in paper covers. The original release in paper contained discs mastered in Austria and have WAY superior sound compared to a later release in plastic jewel boxes which were mastered in America.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-11-02 21:24
Robet Marcellus was Principal of the Cleveland Orchestra from 1953 -1973...GBK
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-11-02 22:17
I got the Cleveland Schumann symphonies on LP and was disappointed. The recorded sound was screechy, and the orchestra seemed to lack the body needed for Schumann.
Based on great reviews, I got the CDs when they came out and was blown away. This is the orchestra at its best. I think the LPs were engineered to cut back on the fullness to make them playable on inexpensive record players.
At any rate, the CD reissues are not to be missed.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-11-02 22:20
Yeah, diz...Severance Hall in Cleveland is beautiful...I'm assuming that it was in existence way back then. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
At any rate, Cleveland is worth a visit. So is Cincinnati. Steer clear of Toledo and Youngstown though!  I grew up near Youngstown.
Katrina
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-11-02 23:53
Ken ... I frankly don't worry too much about the sound ... it is important obviously ... rather I like Szell's interpretation ... listen again the the final two minutes of the 4th movement of Symphony No. 1 ... it's hair-raising.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-11-03 17:37
The No. 2 Scherzo has some of the finest string playing ever done on record...and this one is tough on strings.
As to the set it is one of my favorites...check the live concert of No. 2 on the Italian Hermitage label...stellar.
David Dow
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-11-03 20:05
David ... yes, it's difficult but does fall under the fingers mostly ... it's a piece the first fiddles love to get their teeth into ... gives them a chance to show off their virtuoso abilities.
Who's the orchestra on Italian Hermitage?
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-11-03 21:46
These symphonies are often accussed of being over orchestrated ... having now heard them played on orchestras with instruments of the epoc (mid-romantic) and with a compliment of strings that was used in Schumann's time 8.8.6.5.4 - I think his orchestration works beautifully well ... much use of blended tones.
I'm guess Symphony NB's played them a few times? I certainly enjoyed them when the ABC Sinfonia did the cycle many years ago.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-11-03 21:47
diz -
Neither Google nor the record seller databases can find "Italian Hermitage." Could it be "Italian Heritage"? But there's no record label with that name either.
Could you check the record label again and also give us the number?
Thanks.
Ken Shaw
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Author: anson
Date: 2004-11-04 00:49
Hi all,
Does it say on the remastered cd program notes whether the Schumann stuff was recorded at Severance or the Masonic Auditorium downtown?
FYI, if you are not from Cleveland, the Masonic Aud. has absolutely wonderful acoustics. In fact I just went to see {Red, an Orchestra} there a bit ago, and was blown away by the sounds I heard from up in the seats. You can distinctly hear each and every player, and yet the blend is wonderful at the same time; quite a treat. I have recorded there before, but unfortunately had never been an audience member in that hall until recently. Thanks in advance.
CAW
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-11-04 16:43
I know of no Szell/Clevveland recording made in Masonic Auditorium, either for CBS or EMI.
I think they began using that venue with Loren Maazel.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-11-04 18:47
So, ohio's worth a visit you say?
Now you tell me - I wasted all day in Pennsylvania on Tuesday!
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Author: Carmen
Date: 2004-11-06 05:38
Marcellus. We honor and praise your memory.
***...so do all who seen such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you can do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you.***
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-11-06 22:11
Here is the the disc......this is an Italian label...
remember too Cleveland would go on tour with pretty set repetoire
so there may be numerous recording about done in this tour!
Ermitage 1991 (imported to Canada-not sure about USA)
Radiotelevisionel dell Svizzera italiana Ete 2
ERM 106 ADD
George Szell Robert Shumann Symphony no. 2
Claude Debussy
La Mer
Berlioz Marche hongroise(Damnation of Faust)]
recorded in /al
Conceti di Lugano
May 31 1957
Teatro Kursall..
I have done all the Schumann symphonies many times...
No. 2 is my personal favorite...but i love no. 1 a good deal...
David Dow
Post Edited (2004-11-06 22:18)
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