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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2002-11-30 19:54
Hi everybody. Can anyone give me the specs for the Vandoren 2RV mpc? I checked with their website and found nothing.
Thanks.
Dan Shusta
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-11-30 20:10
It's basically the same as the current 5RV. Also a good place to look for basics is the table in the Woodwind & Brasswind catalog.
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Author: Mark P. Jasuta
Date: 2002-11-30 22:43
It is the same as the 5RV. Go to the Vandoren website. Then go to the FAQ section. I believe it is the 6th item down the FAQ list.
Mark
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2002-12-01 00:33
Thanks Dee and Mark. I was going to purchase a 5RV but began to wonder about the 2RV I received with an old clarinet off of eBay. Now all I have to do is clean it off and see what it sounds like.
Thanks again.
Dan
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-10-12 20:04
Well, it just goes 'ta show ya that one size doesn't fit all.
My oldest son started in middle school with the 5RV and trad. VD 2.5s day one and never had a bit of problem making a note with that combo (it's what the school required for all beginning students who didn't take private lessons yet). He used Mitchel Lurie 3s and 3.5s with it later (Mitchel Luries are about a 1/2 strength softer than trad. VDs).
Anything softer didn't work. For him.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-10-12 21:07
Hi Dan - I [also] inherited a 2RV with an older cl, didn't greatly like it , so carefully refaced it via fine SiC cloth on a very flat surface, improved it. I had a glass mp refaced in Italy to a 5RVL, which is VG, quite "classical". You can get some [tip opening??] info from the catalogs, but [to me] length of lay is also important, so what VD says is more factual. Been busy on the Pad threads! Luck, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: hardreed
Date: 2003-10-12 22:12
Just recently I have gone back to a 5RV after a 2 year stint on hand-crafted mouthpieces and rediscovered just how good a mouthpiece it really is. I know these things are subjective, but the new 5RV I recently selected from about a dozen or so to replace my worn one can easily hold its own for tone quality, projection and intonation against custom made mouthpieces I own which cost 3-4 times as much. A whole generation of French players were brought up on the 2RV/5RV and I believe Paul Meyer and Eduard Brunner are two prominent players who are using this mouthpiece today. Incidentally, I use a Vandoren blue box strength 3 reed on mine.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2003-10-13 23:27
hardreed, I think your post explains why many people have left the 2RV/5RV. Many players either don't have access to or don't want to fool with trying 12 mouthpieces to find a really nice one. Perhaps there is a market for Vandoren Superiors - standard Vandoren mouthpieces subjected to hand-finishing by the manufacturer or a third party.
Now let's see . . . where'd I put that grinder . . .
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Author: hardreed
Date: 2003-10-14 01:05
In fairness, none of the dozen or so I tried were really bad: just that some had more desirable characteristics than others and one in particular was closer to my tonal ideal than the rest - for me. I would conjecture that another player with different embouchure, physical characteristics and tonal concept trying the same batch as I did would probably arrive at a different conclusion. What I can say is that I don't find any of my hand-crafted mouthpieces superior to the 5RV I chose. In any event, I think one can go through a similar (but probably not as extensive) selection process with hand-crafted mouthpieces until one finds something which really delights and excels.
I am wondering if, with the 2RV/5RV being the mouthpiece which Vandoren built its mouthpiece reputation and business on, these mouthpieces are subjected to a more stringent quality control/testing process than the other models they offer?
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2003-10-14 04:17
Vandoren stopped to make 2RVs when they started to make 5RVs.
They say 2RVs and 5RVs are basically same, but from my experience that I used both, my 2RV was far better than my 5RV. If you find an old 2RV, don't miss it. Their lay is flatter, and the beek end has the shape of Cordier reed cutter, not like that of the steeper shape of the present 5RV.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-10-14 04:42
Hiroshi makes an important point about tip shape.
A few years ago Vandoren changed to a flatter tip profile on their reeds to match the tip on their mouthpieces.
The older Vandoren mouthpieces from the 60's and 70's (ex: 2RV, 55, A1, A2, A3 etc..) had a rounder tip, as did the reeds ...GBK
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Author: hardreed
Date: 2003-10-14 12:47
Yes, I have an old and well worn 2RV which does have the rounder tip shape as described by Hiroshi. I agree that anyone playing this today and using the current Vandoren reeds would have trouble matching the reed tip profile to the mouthpiece, unless they clipped the reed with a Cordier clipper. Similarly, with the new 5RV and its less round tip shape, if you clip your reed with a Cordier (as I do from time to time), you also get a mismatch as the Cordier produces the old tip profile! I would hope that Vandoren's own reed clipper produces a tip profile on the reed which matches the new one on their mouthpieces.
Concerning playing characteristics, I cannot definitively say that my old 2RV plays better than my new 5RV. The older 2RV has a somewhat "brighter" and more ringing sound, the newer 5RV a "darker" or more covered sound. Both have approximately the same resistance and feel while playing, and reeds transfer equally well from one to the other which suggests to me that the facing dimensions are approximately equivalent even though the age gap is in the order of 30-plus years.
Post Edited (2003-10-14 12:48)
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Author: curlyev
Date: 2013-03-18 06:59
I actually loved my 2RV! I love the tone quality. What the others are saying about the shape of the 2RV is totally true. That is one of the things I loved about it!
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Author: Klarnetisto
Date: 2013-10-08 18:05
I just came across this old thread... thanks for the info! My Eb clarinet came with a 2RV and I've puzzled over just what it is since I don't find it listed on V's site any more. It's the only Eb mp I have but it works very well indeed.
Klarnetisto
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