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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-07-25 00:52
throughout my clarinet playing i purchased a m13 lyre followed by a b45 because everyone kept saying a b45 is good and is a overall good mouthpiece for any kind of music.
through months of playing on it(b45) i came to a conclusion that it sucked and I had a much better tone/flexebility on the m13 lyre especialy in jazz.
trying out reeds from #4-2½ on both mouthpieces
so the description that vandoren uses for its mouthpieces is wrong?
m13 lyre= harder reeds vs b45= softer-medium.
i find that visa versa...
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Author: Rene
Date: 2003-07-25 10:01
Since I own and play exactly these two, I can add my 2c oppinion.
The B45 is definitely more open and requires a softer reed. I can play the B45 with 1 1/2 reeds, if I wished (not that I do!), but it would be close to impossible on the M13. It would just close the mouthpiece with the slightest blow. On the other hand, I can play 3 1/2 or 4 on the M13, but that is impossible for me on the B45. I just get airyness. Overall, I prefer the M13 Lyre over the B45. BTW, the M13 is too closed for my taste.
There have been threads on open and closed mouthpieces for Jazz, and I do not want to add much to that discussion. There is no reason, why you should not use the M13 Lyre for Jazz, albeit the sound will remain somewhat classical.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-07-25 13:15
I never cared too much for my B45 on Buffet instruments but it seems to work ok on LeBlancs.....don't know why. And.....the converse is true for the M13....!
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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-07-25 15:38
as of right now im using the m13 with a 2 1/2 traditional vandoren reed and i get a nice jazz sound. i also had trouble playing 2 1/2 traditionals on the B45
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-07-25 16:09
Have you tried the M30?
It seems to be an evenly voiced 'open' sounding mouthpiece that has a sweet top end.
If you're comfortably playing Vandoren reeds, it's a good compromise.
Then again, you really must try it out, to know for certain.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-07-25 18:00
You have to use a softer reed on Vandoren B45. Try V12 2 ½, Gonzales FOF 2 ½ or Vandoren Traditional 2.
Vandoren M13 Lyre has tip opening 1.02mm on ML facing. B45 tip is 1.19mm on ML facing that's a huge deference and you cannot use the same reed for both.
Vandoren M13 Lyre Chedeville style mouthpiece and is considered to have a CLASSICAL sound.
Vytas
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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-07-25 21:56
Thank for advice, I did forget that they have diff openings, would you consider the B45 a beginer to intermediate mouthpiece?
or the M13 lyre?
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2003-07-26 06:24
i own vandoren B45 for both my Bb and bass buffets. wo be honest, i hate them both. they were my first mouthpieces ever. i don't know the M13 so i can't help you with it. inho the B45 has a really unfocused sound. i really don't know why it's the best selling mouthpiece. maybe it's easy to play for begginers. i actually don't like anything by vandiren excpet the ligatures, but if you have a chance, just go to the store and try lots of different brands and you'll see there are much better mouthpieces.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-07-26 06:47
I really liked the M13 (not lyre). It wasn't the one for me, but the ones I tried really played well and I think it's a dern good mouthpiece. I used to have a B45, but that was when I was younger and MUCH less disciplined in playing. For the B45, as far as I know, there is GREAT variation between them so you could find a B45 that's much more closed than another. I guess the way I'd say it is if you think the B45 could have potential, if only it played a little differently, try out a couple more. You'll see. And definitely use a softer reed on the B45. But then again everone's different. I play a very closed mouthpiece with a "medium" reed. Not at all close to the recommendation for the MP. It's personal preference.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-07-26 23:16
i also bought v12- 3 ½ but i have so much difficulty playing them on either mouthpiece...
what strength of v12 reed is recommended/u have tried out on the m13 lyre or the b45?
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Author: bassclarinetchicka88
Date: 2003-07-27 04:56
well, you should definitely go with what you feel the most comfortable playing on, but just to add my opinion: i play on an m13 and i think its absolutely amazing. the b45 is too open for my taste, and i havent really found anything that compares to the m13. clarnibass is right though, its not always the best selling mouthpiece. it was such a hassle to get it from one of our local stores because they kept trying to sell me the b45!! i finally had to be a little rude about it - i'll never settle for anything else!
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2003-07-27 05:32
ok, on the B45 the v12 #3 is way too hard for me. with a 2.5 reed it's ok but not great. i noticed the v12 reeds are a little harder than the regular vandoren.
with a regular vandoren 2 1/2 reed it was much better. a lot easier to blow, but still got this unfocused sound vandoren gives you (the combination of both vandoren mouthpiece and reed is deadly).
tried my favorite brand, grand concert. 2 1/2 was a little too easy, 3 was a little too hard. 2 3/4 were out of stock but i would guess that would be perfect.
on the B45 la voz mh sounded the best. that's my conclusion.
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Author: moose6589
Date: 2003-07-27 10:00
hmm call me crazy, but i like my mouthpieces opened, not closed, and even though b45 may not be best mouthpiece, mine is certainly fairly good, much better for me than m13. also, i wouldn't call it a beginner mouthpiece, my teacher used it for many years and loved it... all on individual opinions i guess
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Author: DezzaG
Date: 2003-07-27 12:39
V12 are definately softer than regular reeds, check the post labeled "Vandoren 56 Rue Lepic reeds - Review" if you aren't sure.
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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-07-27 22:39
r u sure they are softer, ive had a much easier time playing on a a black master german #3 reeds and a #4 vandoren traditional then a 3 1/2 v12 on my m13/b45
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2003-07-28 03:41
strange, v12 #2 1/2 were harder than regular vandoren #3.
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2003-07-28 14:39
I agree with clarnibass. Although I only own a b45 and I can not compare to others, here is my findings with reeds so far. My best reed in my "ready" box is a grand concert select #2.5. my second reed is a la Voz #MH and a close third is a #3 mitchel luria.
I am trying desparetly to use some Gonzolas #3 reeds because I heard they were good. I am delighted with the consistence of the reeds but they are just too hard. I have adjusted some of the box down a bit and have a little success. The rest of the box will just have to wait until I get another MPC.
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Author: deepriver27
Date: 2003-07-30 01:51
I just picked up (but haven't received yet) both an m15 and a b45 on ebay. I currently use a 5RV which I like but want to see what differences I find with these two. From these posts it looks like it may be even more interesting than I thought.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-07-30 03:37
I loved the M15 even more than the M13. I'm a sucker for those close-tip mouthpieces. And the M15 seemed to me to be very responsive and the ease of playing was amazing. I could get out every note with the slightest effort. It's just that, while the tone was pretty darn good, it just didn't beat out my current MP.
Just so you know, my HS band instructor, a "semi-pro" clarinetist who frequently plays in the Jersey Pops uses an M13 as his primary mouthpiece. He also picked up an M15 because he was very impressed, except after having someone listen to it, was told that it didn't project well enough in a large hall.
His friend and stand partner in the Jersey Pops played an M13, and switched to an M15 upon suggestion of my HS instructor. I believe he describe the M15 with words similar to these . . . "This is great! It sounds good, plays good, nd if it breaks, WHO CARES?! IT'S ONLY FIFTY BUCKS!"
Alexi
PS - main point: It depends on the person, but I personally would expect good things out of these.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Eileen
Date: 2003-07-30 17:05
I use Vandoren V12 #3 reeds on the B45. The 2-1/2 are too soft for me. But I'm playing classical not jazz. The Vandoren website has a chart with recommended reed strengths for each mouthpiece.
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Author: deepriver27
Date: 2003-07-31 22:35
Silvite;
A couple of disclaimers:
1. I am still playing around with and selecting reeds that I think will work for me on a long term basis myself, although I have put alot of effort into this recently.
2. I am no expert on this by any means.
Having clarified that:
I am no big fan of Vandoren reeds of just about any variety, but I find it unlikely the a whole box is "dead". From what I have seen in Vandoren's website, it's likely that you will have much more difficulty in general with a firmer reed on the b45 than you would on the m13.
Please take this with a grain of salt since I am just returning to the instrument after a long time and am going through the same stuff you seem to be as well.
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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-08-01 00:23
hm...
I am happy with my blue box 2 ½ since thats the strength im most comfortable with. I just thought v12 are made for open mouthpieces... guess not..
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Author: coasten1
Date: 2003-08-07 19:52
I had a B45 and now an M13/88 (not lyre). I enjoy the M13 much more than the B45. I found the B45 much more resistant to blow. The M13 vs the M13lyre. The lyre has a wider sound with alot of volume. For my playing, I prefer the more focused sound. I have found that the M13 is more forgiving with reeds. Some reeds I had trouble with on B45 play nicely on the M13.
What is the 88? It is the profile of the mouthpiece. It has a sharper slope on the top side than a standart mouthpiece. It is a matter of preference as to fit for the mouth. M13 comes in standard and 88 profiles.
Best think to do is try them out. I think for an intermediate priced mouthpiece, it works well. Responds good and has a decent sound.
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Author: Silvite
Date: 2003-08-07 23:27
ive recently been playing a B45 with a 3 ½ blue box reed for evalution. I will later compare a 3½ on a m13 lyre.
what are good mouthpieces better than the vandoren line
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Author: Genai
Date: 2017-09-19 17:23
According to my way of playing and my likings, one of the best mouthpieces is the Vandoren M13 lyre. I am always trying new mouthpieces. I have yet to find any mouthpiece, including all of the Vandoren mouthpieces, that matches the tone of the M13 lyre. It's dark. You can play soft. You can play loud without blasting. Your tone won't spread. You won't fall in and out of tune. It's an outstanding mouthpiece. You really cannot beat the price. It's amazing.
Best regards,
Miguel Ángel.
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-09-19 18:00
B45 ... not my cup of tea, had several ... M13-Lyre is a dandy ... IMHO. Try it with Pilgerstorfer Dolce reeds ...
Tom
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