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Author: spikey1973
Date: 2023-06-30 11:05
Hey to all of you who are familiar with working on instruments.
I have been locing on a local 2ehand site to see what kind of old clarinets are for sale. Now I found a instrument for sale for a real dump price..
1) 25 euro
2) Boucet (so not Bouchet!)
3) Wood (kind unknoww)
I think is pretty much a fake (chinese?) copy of the french brand Bouchet.
Anyway, wat I was wondering, would this be a good instrument to praktice working on the instrument? or wouldn't it be worth my while for that..?
https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/muziek-en-instrumenten/blaasinstrumenten-klarinetten/m1993735854-gebruikte-klarinet
any thought would be appreciated.
Kind greats
Matthieu
Post Edited (2023-06-30 15:30)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2023-06-30 15:57
That's a genuine European made stencil model clarinet and not Chinese. It's wood with unplated keywork - not something you'd ever have with Chinese clarinets.
It looks similar to some of the old Selmer (London) Console models.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: spikey1973
Date: 2023-07-01 04:30
Hey Chris,
thanks for your reply!
This still makes me wonder tough for this price, without a case and most likely non playable condition, if you don't take in account the time i would spend on trying to get it in back in a playable condition, would it still be worth the 25 euro's? or would it be awaist money?
if it would be worth 25 plus costs made after a nice cleanup? im oke with it then time = experiene but otherwise not so much.
I ask, as i looked and saw an selmer console in nice condition with case for 160 dollar without much looking and that is a name.. this clearly isn't.
i'm curious
Matthieu
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-07-01 09:57
Hi Chris,
If Matthieu is looking for a really good instrument to renovate, would a B&H be the ideal? Matthieu has top notch technical skills and if we could tell him what the ideal instrument is to repair, he could probably make an amazing job of it.
Matthieu - this below the sort I mean, there are always loads of them on sale sites. One of my friends plays a B&H pair in a symphony orchestra.
https://tinyurl.com/mr75uh6y
This says it's a 1-10 but does that mean it's actually a 1010?
https://tinyurl.com/3a9fjjme
Jennifer
Adult learner, Grade 3
Equipment: Yamaha Custom CX Bb, Fobes 10K CF mp,
Legere Bb clarinet European Cut #2.5, Vandoren Optimum German Lig.
Post Edited (2023-07-01 10:04)
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2023-07-01 12:06
Some of the instruments on these Ebay links are not correctly described! Also very overpriced for what they are!
Take this: -
Described as an Imperial 926 - it's actually a plastic Buffet in the photos.
https://tinyurl.com/by5fubwy
The B & H 1-10 was just a name chosen for a plastic instrument exported to the US and elsewhere. A 1010 is always wood and very different!
In truth, the standard of modern instruments has progressed enormously. Instruments like Selmer Consoles were truly awful, even when new and nobody with any serious intent of playing the clarinet well should go anywhere near one!
When I was a student at the Royal College of Music in London I played 1010s and I owned 4 of them. By the late 80s new Buffet R13/RC/Festival/Vintage Prestige models arrived and transformed the playing world in the UK because of their vastly improved tuning and consistency. I sold all the 1010s - their day was over.
The way things stand now it's Buffet, Yamaha and maybe Selmer. Hardly anyone in the UK plays Backun or anything else.
There is some debate around the present quality of new models as there has been much 'badge engineering'.
Messing around with old instruments will certainly improve learning but you are never going to turn something of dubious quality into a star instrument. I have had many pupils with old instruments that they try to nurture back into life but the young player with less money is usually better off going out and buying a basic, plastic Yamaha.
Post Edited (2023-07-01 12:08)
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-07-01 14:38
Hi Matthieu,
While symphony1010 is no doubt right in what he says , I think that that shouldn't put you off if you have your heart set on getting an instrument to practice working on . Jen's idea of something like a B&H that you can find cheap is a good one . The "1-10" was definitely not their higher end 10-10 and the Regents are the plastic student models ....but maybe something in between .
Just find something and do it for the challenge, learning experience and pleasure of restoring . There's no real reason why it has to amount to anything more than that .
" The best moments in life are those spent alone, engaged is something one has a passion for." ( Voltaire)
Warm regards . J
Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-07-01 16:52
Hi symphony1010,
Thank you very much for explaining.
Might it be okay to ask - if Matthieu is on a super-tight budget (like less than $40) what would be the best option?
I can't find any kind of yamaha in that range.
I have a Normandy resotone that I'm really happy to post to him if that would be good instument, and I think the postage would be within budget.
I got it as a present from jdbassplayer, when I was new on the forum and trying to learn on a shoestring budget myself. jdbass restored it and it is still in good playing order, with a lovely tone, but it's not an instrument for someone to practise repadding really, as it's in good working order.
Jen
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2023-07-01 18:10
Well if it's just for working on then maybe almost anything will do. The main thing is not to necessarily expect it to be a serious playing instrument at the end.
Stripping down and re-padding a whole instrument is far more difficult than starting with just some minor changes.Even an experienced repairer will prefer to not change everything on an instrument, but if it must be done some guidance from an expert will be invaluable.
In the UK good technicians are becoming very difficult to find so the world most definitely needs some new repairers who are prepared to learn their craft well!
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-07-01 18:56
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Hi symphony1010,
Thank you very much for that lovely, kind reply.
Matthieu, you're most welcome to the normany resotone if you would like it.
This video below shows what it sounds like, and I attached some images. If you prefer not, that's great too, but I just wanted to offer.
https://youtu.be/A9GXgalH5RQ
I'm pretty certain we could get it to you in the Netherlands for not too much money. The customs charge would be zero I think, because the purchase price is zero.
This is how it sounds in the altissimo, at least as far as I can go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVspkPm9bRo
I just checked and it would be about £10 to get it to you in two weeks or £13 to get it to you in about 6 days.
Jen
Adult learner, Grade 3
Equipment: Yamaha Custom CX Bb, Fobes 10K CF mp,
Legere Bb clarinet European Cut #2.5, Vandoren Optimum German Lig.
Post Edited (2023-07-01 19:10)
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Author: spikey1973
Date: 2023-07-02 17:20
Hey Jen,
Thank you for being my voice here on the board the last few days, I have been very busy and had urgent phone problems, migrain and other stuff that held me back from being present here, but indead it is as you said it is.
So yeah I am looking around for something fairly cheap to work on, something that either wouldn't be a shame to the world if I would wreck it (not likely unless it us at a fairly unfixable state already, but still) but also something that would be useful in the end to have the work done on it ofcourse. Preferably wood (or hard rubber) but not plastic and also with a reasonable purchase price. It won't be urgent,so I will be looking online here to see if there is something there.. But I generally feel that I am not the only one looking for an nice cheap instrument.
About the Resotone, as I said in my of board mail, I would be really happy with it, but i wouldn't use it to work on as, as you mentioned. It is currently setup nicely and I wouldn't want to mess with the setup, but I would be able to use it as a god comparison between mine and the resotone and use the latter as a good setup reference.
anyway.. it's laundry day here today.. so I will be finishing that..
Please all enjoy your sunday.
Matthieu
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-07-02 18:47
Hi,
Matthieu and I chatted off-list and I am posting the Normandy Resotone, which originally came from jdbassplayer, to him.
Symphony1010 said it was best to learn tech work on an instrument that is mostly working, and I reckon it will be a good use of the instrument, as it is otherwise sitting in my house not being played.
Matthieu has top notch technical skills from other work that he does, and I reckon that enabling him to train in clarinet tech work is a great use of this instrument. I hope that is okay.
I am also sending on some mps that a kind BBoard member sent to me when I started, and some other things that I can't use (hard reeds and some barrels).
If anybody has a minute to explain to Matthieu the nuance of how to repad clarinets, I reckon we could have a great new tech amongst us. :-)
Thanks,
Jennifer
Adult learner, Grade 3
Equipment: Yamaha Custom CX Bb, Fobes 10K CF mp,
Legere Bb clarinet European Cut #2.5, Vandoren Optimum German Lig.
Post Edited (2023-07-02 19:09)
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