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Author: Theboy_2
Date: 2003-07-17 02:41
I know when your tone is sharp there is a fast ripple in the air, but what is the tone like when you are flat?
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Author: Torus Tubarius
Date: 2003-07-17 23:39
I'm confused by that. I'm assuming you mean the wavering effect you hear between two instruments who are not playing exactly in tune.
The answer is that it sounds exactly the same. After all when someone is playing lower than another player or players, that means that from the other player(s) point of view, they are sharp relative to the person who is flat. You cannot ascertain sharpness or flatness based solely on the speed of the ripples you hear; rather you have to listen to both pitches at the same time and compare them to see which is higher and which is lower.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-07-17 23:40
You only hear the ripple when you are playing with someone else. If you are playing alone, then the note is a steady tone.
The speed of the ripple depends on the how close you are in pitch to the other player and has nothing to do with whether you are flat. i.e. The ripple will be the same speed if you are 10hz sharp or 10hz flat. The ripple gets slower as you get closer in pitch until it disappears when you are exactly in tune. The ripple gets faster as you move further apart until you are playing harmony at which point the ripple disappears again.
This ripple is usually referred to as a "beat" sound.
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Author: d-oboe
Date: 2003-07-18 03:54
waa waa waa waa
Just thought I'd add that.
D-oboe
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Author: sömeone
Date: 2003-07-19 06:42
how about woo woo woo...
so anyway are there better methods to train the ear in tuning rather than being too dependend on the electronic tuner?
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Author: d-oboe
Date: 2003-07-19 15:25
in response to "someone" from the "flat tone" chain:
I don't think, unless you have absolute pitch, you can really train the ear to detect how many cents above pitch or below pitch that a tone may be. Even people with absolute pitch would have to have heard the correct sound at least once to be able to memorize it. Basically the only way to practice tuning is to play with another person, and see who's higher or lower. When two of the same instrument play together, it should sound as one, with no wavers. (of course this depends on the ability to sustain a long note!)
If anyone has any other ideas...post 'em!
D-oboe
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Author: TorusTubarius
Date: 2003-07-19 18:30
The best way to train your ear is to play a lot and listen to a lot of music.
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