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Author: Lauren's Flute
Date: 2002-12-24 19:53
On my flute, the foot goint is very hard to get on and off.
My band instructor said to put clarinet cork greese on it. Would any of you recomend cork greese?
Code name: Lauren's flute
P.S.-Do not try to e-mail me. This is just a code name. Just leave a post here.
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2002-12-24 20:00
NO!!!!!!! DO NOT PUT CORK GREASS ON ANY JOINTS ON YOUR FLUTE!!!! If you foot it hard to get on try cleaning the joint. If that don't work get a birthday candal and but some of the wax on the joint and but the foot on they wipe off the excass wax. This acts as a dry lubercant. I have had the same problem. But what ever you do, DO NOT BUT CORK GREAS ON A FLUTE ANYWERE!!!!!!!!!
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Author: Saxplaya
Date: 2002-12-24 21:48
yes i agree with Steven King, also another way to clean the joint is to clean it with a metal wool sponge on the joint that goes in the other joint.
Dont do this a lot because it will mess up your instument.
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2002-12-24 23:35
I recommend that you DO NOT use Saxplaya's suggestion at all becuase you can put goudges in your joints and cause the foot not to fit on at all!! Or even make it leak and you can't play your instrument. Just to be on the safe side that is my advice
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Author: Benny B
Date: 2002-12-25 04:01
CORCK GREESE IS FOR INSTRUMENT LIKE CLARINET NOT SHINY FLUTE
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Author: Torus Tubarius
Date: 2002-12-25 04:19
I don't know about no flutes, but what's with everyone having a code name now? Did we have a meeting I missed or something?
CODE NAME: TorusTubarius
(You can email me if you want, even if this is a code name; it just won't get very far.)
Actually if any of ya'll ever do wanna get in touch with me, my AIM screen name is the same as the name I post here, minus the space.
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Author: Laura
Date: 2002-12-25 04:27
I've used cork grease on my flute more than once and it's just fine. It's more than thirty years old and still in great shape. And, not that I put too much faith in the flute care packs they sell, but it even comes in those. You shouldn't put mass amounts of it on there though. Another thing you can do is use pencil lead and "color" the joint, though I'm sure people will advise against it, too. Do always clean out your flute after you play and wipe off the outside and use a silver polish cloth on it occasionally. Good maintenance is the key here. It is with all instruments.
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2002-12-25 04:39
Well Laura you don't have to sound like every one hates everyones ideas and stuff. The pencil thing might work just like the wax will. But when you use cork greas on your joints it attracts more dirt and make the joints tighter and tighter, even if you just put a little bit on it will eventualy seeze the joint up. I have taken instrument repair classes i know what i am talking about. DO NOT USE CORK GREASE!!!!
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Author: Torus Tubarius
Date: 2002-12-25 06:00
Wait, so what about the cork grease again?
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Author: Carolyn
Date: 2002-12-25 16:27
I'm with Torus. What is up with the code names??? It's redundant. Your 'code name' shows up at the tops of your posts!
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Author: Trini
Date: 2002-12-25 18:04
Hi, I don't really speak inglish very good, i'm from Chile (south america).
I've just got a flute for christmas, but i don't know how to play it. May be you know a page on the internet where they explain a little bit about how to play it, and where to put each finger.
My e-mail is trinivalenzuela@hotmail.com
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Author: Trini
Date: 2002-12-25 18:04
Hi, I don't really speak inglish very good, i'm from Chile (south america).
I've just got a flute for christmas, but i don't know how to play it. May be you know a page on the internet where they explain a little bit about how to play it, and where to put each finger.
My e-mail is trinivalenzuela@hotmail.com
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Author: finlandia_flautist
Date: 2002-12-26 01:54
i heard somewhere that if you use 'cigarette paper' (this shiny paper stuff, it's like the paper that you peel stickers and postage stamps off) you can give it a strong wipe with that and it won't be so sticky. Also, if you find you can't get it off, just try twisting it (instead of pulling it straight) but hey i'm probably just stating the obvious.
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2002-12-26 02:08
Finlandia you have a piont you should never ever just pull the foot or head off of a flute. you should always use a twisting and pulling combination to prevent your tennons from bending.
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Author: oboeguy
Date: 2002-12-26 06:48
ok, once again, a simple question turned into a mass revolt that doesn't really have anything to do with the question.
First of all, cork grease is cork grease. kind of the "lubricant" of woodwind"ers". it is basically a coagulation of some sort of slippery substance. Regardless. We all know(dear god I hope so) that you don't put cork grease on the keys or anything similar to that.(mainly because they are harder to clean) For sax,oboe,and,clarinet, we use cork grease if we have trouble getting our mouthpieces,or double reeds, onto,or into, where they should be. For flutes the cork grease(which is like crayon wax with a little petroleum product in it) can act as a lubricant to ease the joints apart. But as with all aspects of life, moderation is the key.
When you notice black sticky stuff beginning to collect around the joints of your flute, would it make sense to color it with a crayon, or take a damp cloth and wipe it off? Didn't your mothers teach you a thing or two on hygiene? Well treat your flute like your baby: when it gets dirty, clean it! if it's too dry, make it wet! If there's too much traction, reduce it with something slippery.
Shall I review anymore kindergarten physics, or shall that be enough?
Your neighbourhood know-it-all!
oboeguy
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2002-12-26 16:25
Hey oboeguy the crayon thing does work to. Eventhough you do have a good point. When you see stuff starting to build up CLEAN IT just like oboeguy said. And then you avoid the problem completely.
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Author: Cletus
Date: 2002-12-30 01:19
I know my post will probally not matter, but, Most Instruments used are made with brass with the exception of Drums, Strings, Clarinets and Oboes. Just about everything else is made with it. When the neck on my Saxophone starts becoming a pain to get off, i put corkgrease around the insert, and it works just fine. I would take flute would be made from brass or something similar to it, so i think Corkgrease would be fine to use. Steven, go ahead and argue with my opinion.
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2002-12-30 05:08
Cletus I only have two things to say. One Flutes are NOT made out of Brass. Flutes are made out of Sterling Silver, Nickle Silver, Gold, While Gold, Rose Gold, Yellow Gold, Platinum, and a very cheap alloy of Silver for the crappy student flutes. Second of all you obviously know nothing about flues so why you are here posting something about flutes I have no clue. So there for you can not possibly make any kind of judgment on what is good or bad for flutes. I Play Flute I have been trained in Instrument Reapair and maintnence and cleaning and all that stuff. If you don't listen to me you are just plain stupid. I can't think of a nicer way of putting it. If you want to use cork grease on your flute go ahead its not my flute. I just for warn you that it will case damage in the long run. I don't know why you ppl want to argu with me anyways. Or maybe I am the one arguing. I just dident want anyone to use that nasty stuff on their Flute and case damage.
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Author: d-oboe
Date: 2002-12-31 16:23
Funny, way up here, in the igloo of Canada(haha, even though in summer, it's sometimes hotter than US) we even have flute professors too.(wow amazing isn't it!) I went the next step up, and asked the city orchestra player.(The ESO, the 4th largest in Canada.)She said, that the best thing, If you've got no other, is a very small amount of pure petroleum jelly. Mainly because it doesn't cake, like waxes, and can be easily cleaned with a swift pull. She has heard the wax theory(although she also noted that this should be paraffin wax, not colouring wax), but finds that the actual wax "slips" off the joint of her flute and gets inside her flute: a no-no. Buy a little tube of pure petroleum jelly, that would be your best bet.
D-oboe
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Author: Steven King
Date: 2003-01-01 04:40
Nice advice i guess it will work. But guess what petroleum jelly is not Cork grease so there for it works differentley. And i see that you emphisized the sparingly part of it. But for an oboe player you sure know alot about flutes. And you are really cocky about it also. And imagine this the next time you see a post about flutes. keep you nose out of it. A true flute player will listen to other flute players not an oboe player that asked another flute player.
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Author: D-oboe
Date: 2003-01-01 16:54
Coming from you, the one who "knows everything about flutes and you have to listen to me" don't take this down the road of cockiness. I have played flute for a number of years, more than half your age,and, considering I double on it, when necessary in the community band, I think I have gathered a little bit of knowledge. I know, a "community" band doesn't sound all that fantastic, but we got invited to music fest Canada, and won Gold in most of our categories. (you can even look, Go the the MusicFest site, and look for "St.Albert Community Band".) I am an oboe player now, and have been for about 10 years, so I also know a teenie bit about those too. Remember Steven, "the only true knowledge is in knowing that you know nothing." -a timeless quote.
Good Day
D-oboe
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Author: Christina
Date: 2003-12-04 00:06
Lauren, I know that you have received a ton of notes on this subject, and on behalf of decent floutists, I would like to appologize to you about the tone of the messages that have dominated this discussion.
Yes, "cork" grease is a bad thing for your flute, simply because your flute joints don't have any 'cork' they are solid metal.
First try all the non-distructive options:
Have you been twisting the joints apart, or are you pulling? You should be twisting (with a gentle pull as you twist)
If it you can get the joint apart, try cleaning all areas that connect with a dry rag, preferrably a cotton mix (polyester and rayon tend to not pick up the goop that tends to accumulate in the joints) Do not use any water as it may soak the pads and then you have a bill and tripto the shop.
If these 2 ideas don't work, then try a small amount of the Petroleum Jelley, but please make sure that you get all of the lubricant off, as it will gum up the pads if it makes its way to them.
If PJ don't work, check the fit, are the tube round? you may have a flat spot that needs to be fixed, take the flute to the shop, unless your director, or you, has the equipment and know how to fix.
If you are in a tight fix and need the lubricant with no PJ around, a small amount of the cork grease (borrowed from a clarinet/sax/obeo/etc) may help for the short run, but it is not in your best interest to use it regularly, and again make sure that you clean it off completely (that is wipe it until the rag comes away clean.)
SK's idea of wax, may work as well, I have never had to use it, as when I was first taught basic maintenance, I was lead to the use of petroleum jelley if nothing else worked.
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Author: Stepanie
Date: 2004-10-15 17:23
I love sticky keys and I would like to know if you would send me a free one.thanks.
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Author: Stepanie
Date: 2004-10-15 17:28
I love sticky keys and I would like to know if you would send me a free one.thanks.
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Author: Stepanie
Date: 2004-10-15 17:28
Lauren's Flute wrote:
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On my flute, the foot goint is very hard to get on and off.<br />
My band instructor said to put clarinet cork greese on it. Would any of you recomend cork greese?<br />
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Code name: Lauren's flute<br />
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P.S.-Do not try to e-mail me. This is just a code name. Just leave a post here.
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