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 Quick tounging
Author: ZTWC 
Date:   2005-08-15 10:59

I must admit, after scowering the Internet for a good fingering chart - and after coming across books I had to purchase (I don't mind the purchase, if I can order them) I found www.wfg.woodwind.org. The site you've got here is very informative and contains everything a clarinettist should know.

Thanks for such a great compilation - I'll be back here every now and then for help, for certain. ;)

OK, back to the topic - how does one improve on tonging quick notes in succession without screwing up (in this case Weber's Clarinet Concerto No.1, 3rd Mvt)? There are like a whole bunch of 16-notes to tongue up and down.

Any help?

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 RE: Quick tounging
Author: Trentus 
Date:   2005-08-15 11:44

Perhaps you could try double tounging (like on a brass instrument). It's kinda difficult and awkward, but it can be done with woodwind instruments.

Try saying "Dugga-dugga-dugga..." as quickly as you can. My teacher said that for woodwind instruments it was more "Takka-takka-takka..." I still can't get this, but it can be done.

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 RE: Quick tounging
Author: ZTWC 
Date:   2005-08-15 17:59

Tried that, but it didn't sound very consistent in intonation (after listening to Andrew Marriner sweeping apart the cadenza, I'm quite certain it isn't double tounging.)

I'll give it another shot and practice though.

Any more suggestions?

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 RE: Quick tounging
Author: Theboy_2 
Date:   2005-08-15 18:49

tounging quickly can be done by moving slowly thorugh your notes and gradually speeding up. but to move your tounge faster and faster, you'll need tounging exercises. your tounge is like any other muscle in your body, there is a few things you can do, you can try tounging anywhere you go. you'll find it uncomfortable at first, it will help after a while. when playing try different ways of tounging, try 2 sets of triplets, followed by 2 sets of doubles and repeat it. that will get your tounge moving in different ways. try different patterns like that. when you become comfortable with those patterns you've created push yourself to go faster. for larger runs like that, play it over and over again until you get sick and tired of it, and then play it some more. you should have it memorized, and then pick up the tempo. start out much slower then the tempo of the piece, you can't play a piece fast until you can play a piece slow, and then slowly raise the tempo faster. your goal should be to be able to play the passage faster then you actually need it to be. hope this helps.

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 RE: Quick tounging
Author: Fernando 
Date:   2005-08-18 21:53

As others have suggested, start by practicing slowly and work up the speed. Lots of people can get their tongues and fingers to move fast, but the trick is getting them to move in sync!

Double tounging on a reed instrument is a lot harder than on a flute or brass. Having the reed in your mouth seems to make it harder.

I'm a flutist that occassionally plays clarinet & sax. One of the techniques I've seemed to develop on my own (not sure if its really kosher or not), is to almost flutter my tongue across the reed. This has the effect of my tongue striking the reed twice for each time I move my tongue, effectivley doubling my speed. This also seems to work best on quieter passages. It doesn't work as well when you're blowing a lot of air through the horn. Again, this may not be kosher, but it seems to work for me. It takes practice too, and I'm not sure how I would go about teaching it. If you're taking lessons, check with your instructor.

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