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Author: Eric B.
Date: 2004-04-06 04:32
Okay what is vibrato and can u do it on any instrument(t.sax and clari.)?How do u do it? is it like a trill?
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Author: Clarinet Dude
Date: 2004-04-06 17:07
There is a real good article about this subject which I believe is found somehow connected to the (wfg.org). But I can tell you that it is possible on any instrument and for the most part amounts to just moving the embochure(lips) while playing. This makes you go flat then sharp,etc. all around whatever pitch you're playing. Everybody who's marched in below freezing weather or got nervous has done vibrato althogh it probably sounded bad. If you wonder what a "good" one sounds like listen to some violin music: Their obsessed with it(maybe because they don't have any harmonics to make their tone better or interesting) Saxophone actually use vibrato quite a bit.(I don't know from personal experience but I think it is quite easy to change pitch on sax) Clarinets are not known for their vibratos but I always add them to solos for a subtle but impressive ornament(icing on the cake, actually sprinkles on the icing). You could have fun experimenting with it on woodwinds. From my understanding brass people only have to wiggle their fingers for vibrato.
P.S. If high notes sound bad or just piercingly gross try a little vibrato to finesse.
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Author: TorusTubarius
Date: 2004-04-07 00:06
<i>But I can tell you that it is possible on any instrument and for the most part amounts to just moving the embochure(lips) while playing.</i>
<u>Not true</u> for double reeds.
<i>If you wonder what a "good" one sounds like listen to some violin music: Their obsessed with it(maybe because they don't have any harmonics to make their tone better or interesting)</i>
Uhhh... you might want to try talking out of the other end there, especially if you ever want any string players to talk to you ever again.
<i>From my understanding brass people only have to wiggle their fingers for vibrato.</i>
I'm not a brass player, but most people I know who do play brass do it with the lips, not by moving their fingers.
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Author: d-oboe
Date: 2004-04-07 14:52
So what is vibrato? there is huge debates on this topic on this forum: search for vibrato. What's these articles essentially sum up to, is that (on double reeds anyways) that vibrato is produced internally from the larynx (other people may say otherwise, but that's where a good one is produced) A lot of clarinet players or sax players talk about lip vibrato, which is fine to a certain extent, but a lot of saxophone players I know use the forementioned larynx vibrato with much better results...it's less "warbly". To me the larynx vibrato makes more sense...and if you look in an orchestra 3/4 of the woodwind section has to use larynx vibrato, so hmm...majority rule?
d-oboe
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Author: Amanda
Date: 2004-04-08 04:35
Vibrato is a slight fluctuation of pitch, from a little flat to a little sharp.
For a good example of vibrato, listen to a SINGER (Cecilia Bartoli is one of my personal favorites. . . )
While singers use their larynxes (I'm not sure if that's the plural of larynx) to make vibrato, wind instrumentalists are generally told to use their diaphragm, NOT the throat. To do this, mimic the motion of "ha-ha-ha" slowly into your instrument while sustaining a pitch. The note should become sharper from the added pressure on the "ha" part and flatter on the time between. So ha-ha-ha would translate into "sharp-flat-sharp-flat-sharp." To be honest, I've been known to play with throat vibrato (I mainly play flute), and whether it is "wrong" or not, I have no idea. I feel it is more natural to play this way, but I think everyone should at least know their options.
Brass players CAN play vibrato by wiggling their fingers, or in the case of trombone, by moving the slide. They generally don't. It tends to sound unnatural and is distracting to watch, and probably more trouble with the fingers than it is worth. I see "finger vibrato" in jazz (especially trombone) more than anywhere else, and I can't remember an occasion where I saw it in classical music. Brass usually use lip vibrato.
I know this is long, and maybe a little boring, so thanks for reading, and let me know what you think.
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Author: altogirl
Date: 2004-04-08 07:03
i too usually play it by throat..but a professional flutist once told me to use abdomen,pushing in and out,ya,it's something like ha,ha,ha
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Author: d-oboe
Date: 2004-04-08 15:17
that's initially where the thrusts come from: the abdomen pushing and going ha-ha-ha. It's kind of a strange phenomenon but it seems as though as the vibrato becomes more and more refined it moves higher and higher through the chest. But in any case a natural thoughtless vibrato does come from the larynx.
As far using the throat and not using the throat...first of all the larynx isn't in the throat it's high in the chest, and second, the throat is a wall of muscles whose size really can't be voluntarily controlled by internal means (if it had said mobility, our throats would collapse!). Just try it: opening and closing your throat...Nothing happens! The change 99.9% of the time is in the mouth which has far more effect on anything than does the throat.
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Author: Rick
Date: 2004-04-08 21:24
Your larynx is indeed in the throat, the upper part of the windpipe. It contains your vocal cords, which vibrate to make noise. You can feel them if you place a finger on your adam's apple, or where it would be on your throat, and hum a bit. The vibrations should be right under your finger.
here's a diagram: http://www.upmc.edu/upmcvoice/anatomy.htm
Knowing your anatomy can be very helpful to learning an instrument.
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Author: Louise
Date: 2004-04-09 21:09
Vibrato can be played on all wind instruments! Its easy! Try to use your diaphram-make it shake a little as you breath out. Vibrato puts colour in the note and makes it sound less boring!
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Author: Eric B.
Date: 2004-04-09 21:48
Are you all saying like when a singer holds a long note and they make their voice shake a tiny bit throught the note. I think i get it but it's kinda hard to explain what i mean.
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Author: Eric B.
Date: 2004-04-11 02:21
Thanx everybody! You all are a big help.
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Author: Richard
Date: 2004-04-23 03:57
Do not listen to clarinet dude on Clarinet vibrato. Clarinets NEVER EVER EVER do vibrato in classical music (I know this because my woodwind specialist teacher at school is a professional clarinetist). The only reason you would ever use vibrato on a clarinet is in Jazz and it is done with a special clarinet. ONLY. =)
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