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 Stevens staples are back!
Author: ckoboe777 
Date:   2018-01-26 06:25

...And.... they're back!

Can somebody tell me the dimensions (wall thickness, bore size, etc.)and the pitch tendencies (sharp, flat) of a Stevens #2 staple compared to a Loree AK? They were supposedly a big favorite of many Americans like Mack and Woodhams.

-ckoboe777

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 Re: Stevens staples are back!
Author: EaubeauHorn 
Date:   2018-04-06 21:03

I see no one has responded.....and I know nothing either. I'd like to know the difference between a thick wall staple and a thin wall one. I have to date used staples that did not say thin or thick, so I have no idea what the differences could be, or which I have been using.

Someone kindly respond?

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 Re: Stevens staples are back!
Author: ckoboe777 
Date:   2018-04-07 02:40

Thin wall- metal of staple is "thin" e.g. Loree, Chiarugi
Said to be brighter and more responsive
Thick wall- metal of staple is thick e.g. Pisoni, Glotin
Said to be darker and less responsive

Personally, I feel like neither is necessarily brighter/darker or responsive/less responsive. I think it really depends on how it "fits" on the shape of the cane at a certain length. I currently use Pisoni Deluxe with RDG -1 shaper (American here), tied at 72mm, which lets me comfortably get a seal without having to pull the daylights out of the string or having to purposely loosen up the tension in the string to avoid squishing the cane on the staple.

-ckoboe777

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 Re: Stevens staples are back!
Author: tgenns 
Date:   2018-04-07 18:44

I've been doing a little experimenting with tubes (staples) recently. Over the years I have mainly used the Loree tubes, silver, 47 mm, regular bore. One part of the experiment was I ordered a few brass Loree tubes to compare with the silver ones. Frankly, I cannot tell any difference between the brass and silver, so in the future I will probably order brass tubes only and save some bucks.

The other part of my experiment was ordering tubes of other brands, 47mm long. There is an obvious difference in sound as you would expect, but I did not notice any pitch difference, even though the bores were slightly larger than the Loree tube bore and some of the walls were thicker. As for wall thickness, the thinner ones did seem a little "brighter" / livelier than the thicker ones.

For now I am sticking with the Loree tubes, which match up well with my two older, regular bore Loree oboes. The sound on them for me was a little more refined / lithe than the other brands. That being said, I still plan on occasionally trying a different tube just for experimental and interest sake.

I think if you are interested in changing your sound a little, then experimenting with different tubes is worth a try. It is certainly less expensive and less of an adjustment than buying a new horn!

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 Re: Stevens staples are back!
Author: EaubeauHorn 
Date:   2018-04-08 20:32

Continuing the questioning....my teacher used 46 mm tubes, same model instrument as mine. But finished reeds on my 47mm tubes that I was "almost there" with just fine. So what difference does 1mm tube length make, and why would someone choose one over the other (teacher gone and retired, can't ask him.)

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 Re: Stevens staples are back!
Author: ckoboe777 
Date:   2018-04-09 02:58

Shorter staples tend to be sharper. But different staple brands have different pitch tendencies too, so for example, a Pisoni 47mm staple could still be sharper than a Loree 46mm staple.

I personally like "sharper" staples because I hate reeds that are flat. I'd much rather have a reed that is slightly sharp, that I can afford to relax my embouchure on and play down to pitch. Playing down to pitch is a lot less energy consuming than playing up to pitch.

-ckoboe

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 Re: Stevens staples are back!
Author: jhoyla 
Date:   2018-04-11 16:07

The following is only my experience, and I'm sure that this is different for everyone.

Basically you need to experiment and find the right combination of cane, shape, tie-length, tie-tension, staple-length, wall-thickness and scrape for you.

For me I think it comes down to how close to the end of the staple you tie.
I tie to *just* below the lip of the staple, and so have had more luck with 46mm staples. I find 47mm staples difficult to get up to pitch, I end up clipping the reeds right back with associated stability and tone-quality issues.

However I know that others leave up to 1mm of staple projecting inside the staple. For them, 47mm might be just-about perfect.

I standardized on Stevens 46mm some years back, and then they went out of production. I found the Forrests 46mm an acceptable substitute, but they tie a little longer for a perfect seal, giving me a few low-pitch issues.

J.

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