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Author: OboePrince
Date: 2015-09-13 09:32
So, I am looking to maybe upgrade my Rigoutat RIEC model oboe, just because it doesn't have every single trick on it like a pro model, and I am looking into what makers to think about.
I am obviously very fond of Rigoutat, it is by and large the best oboe I have played on. My Covey was very good, but not for me. And it was old. But I get to try out four, so why not give a few other makers a shot too?
I am definitely gonna try a Rigoutat J.
Now as for others, I am kinda open to ideas. I've heard Marigauxs are really good, really forgiving horns. I heard rave things about Bulgerhoni oboes but I've never played one. I have heard crazy good stories about the New Yamaha, and I almost wanted to laugh (because I know at least half of us have squaked on a Yamaha plastic oboe at least once) but a lot of pros like the new custom models and they are inexpensive. I have heard mixed things about Patricola and Josef, but very very mixed, some calling them amazing and some calling them a mess.
NO LOREE (If one appeals to me I will look at it, but I am looking for a fresh idea)
American Oboist. I currently play on a Rigoutat Riec. She is beautiful.
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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2015-09-13 17:09
It all depends on your concept of the ideal oboe tone and reed preferences. For me the Marigaux 901 fits like a well made tailored suit. It has a warm mellow tone which reminds me a bit of the baroque oboe......it is also very reed friendly. Unlike my experience with a Loree which I found to be very reed dependent and to have a more edgy sound. Furthermore my experience is - it is a wonderful company which treats all oboists professional and non-pros alike with great respect.
Mark
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Author: wkleung
Date: 2015-09-15 14:23
Marigaux is excellent, but in terms of tone it is the polar opposite to Rigoutat: dark vs. bright, stable vs. flexible, warm vs. light. I have a feeling if you like your Rigoutat, you may not like Marigaux. The sensation for blowing is rather different, possible due to differences in the size and shape of bore.
Some well-known Marigaux artists include Francois Leleux, Stefan Schili, Diana Doherty and David Walter. Heinz Holliger, Maurice Bourgue and Jacques Tys play on Rigoutat. Do you have a preference for what kind of tone you want to achieve?
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Author: OboePrince
Date: 2015-09-15 17:42
I have no issues with some brightness in my sound. I play in orchestra in my university, so too dark and it falls through. I would like to be ABLE to accheive a darker color than I can now. I have to use a THICK reed to make that happen, and that hurts my face.
The Rigoutat J I have heard is a darker rigoutat, and is almost a middleground of the two brands.
Mine isn't particularly overly flexible. In fact, it's unfriendly to the portando.
It's hard for me to say what kind of tone I want because I want all kinds of tone. I want to be able to invoke edge and brightness. I also want to be able to have a fat, dark tone: Both of those things have their place. And until I am in a financial place (right?) that I can have 3 oboes, I want something that I can color to my liking, at least more than I can now.
Also, mine is the best I have ever played on about low notes: They ALWAYS come out, and I have *some* control over them but they are still really loud, and playing second on Peer Gynt gets me dirty looks (IT A LOW B, I DUNNO WHAT TO DO!!!). If an oboe exists with a bottom that's easier to dampen, I'm all ears.
I'm not an amatuer, but I am not a pro. I'm a college student. I just started making my reeds a few months ago. I just started English Horn a few months ago. (Whoever said that beast is easier than oboe is on some crack.)
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Author: JRC
Date: 2015-09-15 18:22
I am a long time Rigoutat (classic bore) user. It is perhaps the most musically sensitive (not necessarily rock solid and steady) and sweetest sounding (not chocolaty dark) oboe ever. It was the choice for elder European masters like Heinz Holliger, Andre Lardrot, Maurice Bourgue and most French oboists because it gave that extra freedom to express music, which enable those musicians (not just oboists) to win International Competition in Geneva (perhaps no longer relevant to oboists these days).
The word has evolved, so has the Rigoutat manufacturer. The world no longer embrace sweet sound. Neither Rigoutat concentrates on producing classic bore instrument. Matter of fact, Philippe Rigoutat (current owner and son of Roland who created the classic bore) no longer service oboe produced by Roland. All of their products (oboes) are geared for modern oboists. They still offer classic, but you will have to ask for it when you order one. The Classic (otherwise known as Roland oboe) is a disappearing model.
I am sure Riec would give you another choice for chocholaty sounding and rock solid alternative to Marigaux, Loree, ..... Yes they all have slight variation in degree of how dark, heavy, rock steady the pitch and etc.... Rigoutat is no longer sweet sounding musically sensitive special oboe they used to be known for. (Therefore it use to demand absolute control on producing the oboe sound, which use to give musical edge over other oboes.)
Try the Rigoutat and other brands. You may find Rigoutat to your taste. Rigoutat has long history of making oboe and they certainly know how to make a good oboes and you may even like it.
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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2015-09-15 18:44
You may want to give yourself some more time to perfect your reed making before buying a new Oboe.
Mark
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-09-15 22:31
Also try the Howarth XL and XM oboes if you can.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: JRC
Date: 2015-09-15 23:49
Oh by the way, after Phillipe refused to service my Roland, I've got it fixed up by John Symer. I ordered Moennig 155A. It is somewhat similar to Marigaux yet it sings like Roland. In addition it is indeed of German precision and I know they will always service this oboe. I believe in Ludwig Frank's integrity and pride.
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Author: OboePrince
Date: 2015-09-16 02:25
I'm gonna go through Hannah, and she has already agreed to buy my RIEC sight unseen for a really good price. (My RIEC isn't particularly bright, but it can get there). So I will be able to try 4. I Basically have already decided that I want to try a Rigoutat J (because I don't want to be limited to just "sweet", but I like Rigoutat and I like how flexible the color is and it is BY FAR has the most dynamic range of any oboe I have ever played on. I can get FFFFF out of it before it ever starts sounding crass, and it's relitively reed friendly. It's Freeblowing.
I am married to the idea of ordering a Rigoutat J to try.
I am set on ordering a Marigaux 901 or 2001 to try.
I am flirting pretty heavily with a Bulgheroni Opera.
It's really just the fouth I am kinda torn about, because I wish it were about 8. I am flirting with Howarth, Of course Loree, Josef, Patricola, Kruell (though that almost seems too dark), and Yamaha (I have heard shockingly good things about their newer developments).
American Oboist. I currently play on a Rigoutat Riec. She is beautiful.
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Author: Wufus
Date: 2015-09-16 19:38
I am a long-time Rigoutat player. For the 4th brand, I would highly recommend the Howarth XL or the Moennig. Both would give "sweetness" and flexibility of color.
Wufus
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