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 Who made it?
Author: woodwindtech 
Date:   2015-03-05 20:09
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I'm a repair tech who's new to the board. I have restored/overhauled an oboe that has no identifying marks other than a S/N - C1712. From that and the attached photos, can anyone help me identify the maker? Thanks.

Phil B.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2015-03-05 21:11

That's a Bundy oboe.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: woodwindtech 
Date:   2015-03-05 21:45

No offense, but are you certain? I've never seen or heard of a wood Bundy, or one with a Bb bell key.

Phil B.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2015-03-05 21:50

They made basic thumbplate system Bundys built to low Bb for the UK market in both plastic and wood - this one is one model up from the basic Bundy. The US spec basic Bundy models went to low B and were made in both plastic and wood.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: woodwindtech 
Date:   2015-03-05 22:32

Good info, thanks. If I sound ignorant with what follows, please forgive me - I probably am. I am currently sticking to my original assumption, that it can't be Bundy. It does go to low Bb but is not thumbplate system, so that doesn't match the UK model. Since it does go to low Bb, it can't be US either. Does this make sense? Sorry to sound so argumentative, but I suspect that my pix don't show enough detail for a positive ID. I do greatly appreciate the input, and I didn't expect to get a response so soon ( <1 hour).

Phil B.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2015-03-05 22:43

It is the next model up from the basic Bundy in that it has the low Bb and for some reason has a side G#-A trill key - not entirely sure what the exact model number is for this one as this specific model specification isn't in the catalogue. The next model up from the entry level Bundy normally has the Ab-Bb trill mechanism on the top joint and is built to low Bb.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: woodwindtech 
Date:   2015-03-05 23:39

I think we're getting somewhere. This thing looks very much like a Selmer Signet, but the key configuration doesn't match anything I've been able to find. Nonetheless, since Selmer made three grades of clarinet (110, Special and Soloist), I'd almost bet that they had a similar series of oboes at one time or another. If so, mine might fall somewhere in that hierarchy. The bottom line, at any rate, is that this instrument plays pretty well and is well-tuned except for being a few cents flat on the middle and high Bb - very tunable. Thanks, Chris for all of your comments and help. Now I can feel better about putting a fair value on the oboe and offering it up for sale.

Phil B.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2015-03-06 00:06

It's not a 1292 (basic wooden oboe to low B) and nor is it a 122 (basic wooden oboe to low Bb with Ab-Bb trill and LH C-D trill), so it's something in between the two lower level models.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: woodwindtech 
Date:   2015-03-06 01:29

Yup. Something in between. I think maybe this is a bastard grandchild of Alexandre Selmer. I'm content, though, just knowing that it must be a Selmer brand and a model that sits not far above the bottom of the ladder, but only a rung or two up. Thanks again.

Phil B.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2015-03-06 01:59

I have a 104 model (plastic bodied full conservatoire system) as my back-up oboe which I've modified to make it the same spec as my Howarth S5 (minus the LH C# key which I've since fitted) and they're pretty decent instruments if crude - far better than cheap Chinese and Selmer Paris oboes as they play well in tune for what they are. I went against getting a wooden one as all the wooden Bundys I've seen were banana-shaped, whereas plastic ones will have straight joints. Maybe they used kiln dried or poorly seasoned grenadilla with them in the '80s and '90s.

I added a 3rd 8ve key, thumbplate, adjusting screw to LH1, tab to RH1, rebuilt the F key touchpiece to make it taller, adjusting screw on the D#-E trill mechanism, retaining hoop on the feather keys, low B-C link and low Bb bell vent to mine.

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Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Who made it?
Author: Jeff15221 
Date:   2016-02-09 09:44

Hello Chris,

I have the same Selmer Signet Soloist oboe as you. I'm having a very difficult time tracking any information about the instrument. I assumed it was a 104 from the little information I could find and your post confirmed that. My serial number starts F 69xx. If you have any info on the model's year I would greatly appreciate your help. Also, I'm very impressed with the modifications you've made. Did you do the work yourself? I would love to add the RH1 tab and low Bb vent. If you can share any pointers or resources that would be wonderful.

Thank you in advance for your time,
Jeff S.

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