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 help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: Jaymz 
Date:   2002-12-28 19:47

well in my song menuet by mozart theres a big run with stacatoed 16ths and i cant do them without fumbling over my own tounge sshould i just slur it or try my hardest not to fumble...or is there an alternative can i just pretend to play and have someone else playing j/k

~*8Jaymz8*~

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: Sarah 
Date:   2002-12-28 20:38

Practice the section with a metronome at a tempo slow enough that you can play it correctly. Then very gradually increase the tempo until you can play it up to speed.

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: tbp 
Date:   2002-12-28 20:53

You can also do the very traditional and often played manner of tonguing in sections such as this:
slur two, tongue two.

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: GBK 
Date:   2002-12-28 21:43

Jaymz...The word "song" in this context is not correct.

Very simply put, a "minuet" (alternate French spelling: menuet) is one of the early dance forms derived from the mid Baroque era. Later instrumental versions extended into the Classical era (the symphonic minuet, minuet and trio, etc...).

A "song" is usually a composition for solo voice, usually (but not necessarily) accompanied, and which follows a specific text.

Using correct terminology is important.(even when posing a bulletin board question).

Good luck with your new solo....GBK

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: William 
Date:   2002-12-28 23:49

If "push comes to shove" and not being able to tongue the notes as written means you cannot play the music, incorporate a clean and evenly played slur. It is more important to play, than not too.

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: Alex 
Date:   2002-12-29 09:24

In addition to the advice above...

Tongue to your fingers, don't finger to your tongue. If the rhythm is good in your fingers (i.e. you can play the same passage slurred up to tempo perfectly), the rhythm will likely be good in your tongue. If you are capable of tonguing at that speed on a single note, you should be able to put them both together.

To get it up to tempo, use the metronome incrementally, and mix up the rhythms a bit. Group them into 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's, and 6's, holding one in each group long each time (e.g., when doing 3's, do: long short short long short short, etc. then short long short short long short, etc. then short short long short short long, etc.) then play evenly, just thinking in the different groupings. If you start to get carried away, take a break, and try playing it very evenly at a slow tempo.

The tricky part comes when trying to tongue and finger at the same time. If you don't think about it, it's likely you'll fall into the "finger to your tongue" trap. Your fingers end up trying to stay in line with your tongue. Since your fingers should be slightly ahead of your tongue (when the sound starts, your fingers should be there), fingering to the tongue leads to getting a bit of the last note in the current note, which makes the tonguing sound out of time, fumbling over your own tongue, as you say, throwing you and your concentration off kilter.

Instead, think of your fingers, and move your fingers in time, and make a special point to tongue in time with the movement of your fingers. It's tricky, but it pays off in the long run. Playing to the fingers also helps with tone quality and getting over the break.

Good luck!

-Alex

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody...
Author: buffet^Rc 
Date:   2002-12-29 15:06

go and practice double tounging~~ itt is useful :)

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 RE: help! i need somebody...help not just anybody.
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2002-12-29 16:38

Jaymz -

You're almost sure to be thinking about tonguing first rather than tone first. If you play with a continuous tone, and just barely interrupt it with your tongue, it gets a lot easier. See my posting at http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=32780&t=32715.
Best regards.

Ken Shaw

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