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Author: Mike
Date: 2002-12-19 16:44
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a Buffet R13 Prestige and a Buffet R13 Prestige RC? Do they sound/play/look different?
Mike~
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2002-12-19 16:47
The R13 Prestige is pitched at A 440 Hz, while the RC is at A 442 Hz. The R13 Prestige pitch is standard in the US while the RC is more standard in Europe.
My confusion, however, is the difference between the R13 Prestige and the Festival.
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Author: beejay
Date: 2002-12-19 16:49
The RC is the one generally played in Europe. I was surprised to see it described in the woodwind & brasswind catalogue published in Paris as a "semi-professional" instrument. In fact, virtually every working musician I know plays on an RC. Or was that a ploy to get people to shell out an extra 1,000 euros for a Prestige, which looks nice but plays no better in my opinion.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-12-19 16:52
Ralph G wrote:
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> The R13 Prestige is pitched at A 440 Hz, while the RC is
> at A 442 Hz. The R13 Prestige pitch is standard in the US while
> the RC is more standard in Europe.
There's a <b>TON</b> more differences!!!!!!!!! Bore size, internal steps, hole placement, register tube size/placement, bell shape ...
The major thing they have in common is the manufacturer ;^)
> My confusion, however, is the difference between the R13
> Prestige and the Festival.
Tonehole placement along with register tube size & placement are different than an R13.
R13 and R13 Prestige are essentially the same instrument.
The RC and RC Prestige are essentially the same instrument
The R13, Festival, RC, and Vintage instruments are different from one another by varying degrees.
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2002-12-19 17:01
Thanks for the info. The main difference I'd gained in my brief Buffet self-education was the pitch.
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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2002-12-20 00:53
Ralph G wrote:
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> The R13 Prestige is pitched at A 440 Hz, while the RC is
> at A 442 Hz.
To my knowledge, RC's are available in A 440 as well. At least, thats what my local store orders in. It carries all the Buffet line, all in A 440.
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Author: Stéphane
Date: 2002-12-20 07:48
Aussie Nick,
I can confirm (from France) you're right. One of my friend just acquired an RC pitched at A440. Buffet are well known to usually have a sharper sound than say Selmer, and A440 pitched Buffet horn are more and more sought after by some French clarinetists looking for a warmer sound.
Stéphane.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2004-11-01 07:29
Bringing an old thread back but I didn't want to open a new thread just for that. I checked something on the Buffet website and started reading a little about the instruments. The RC model has 7 rings and 20 keys. I know about the extra ring, but whta are the extra keys? A regular R13 clarinet has 17 keys. The extra keys on the RC are the Ab/Eb left pinkey key, and the low Eb key, but what is the 20th key?
Thanks.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-11-01 10:28
Claribass,
I think the extra three keys are the forked Eb/Bb in upper section, the LH Eb/Ab pinky key on the lower section, and the extra lower section banana/ sliver key is for the articulated G#/C# and it is found on the lower section.
The low Eb is a whole other issue and would probably be the 21st key. My Series 9 has all these keys and a Series 10S that I had a few years had the low Eb as well (probably referred to best as the "fullest" Boehm).
HRL
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2004-11-01 16:12
Actually I think you are mistaken. I am positive that the low Eb key is one of the 20 keys. If an instrument is described as 20 keys/7 rings it means all the keys and rings, not all keys except the low Eb key.
The forked articulated G# key is still one key. It is working because of the 7th ring too.
What is the forked Bb/Eb key? What does it do? Is it actually an extra key or just an extra mechanism but not actually another key?
If it says 20 keys it means 20 different keys your fingers touch. A forked mechanism is not another key.
Thank you very much.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-11-01 19:39
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What is the forked Bb/Eb key? The banana key that can be depressed with your left ring finger in order to change a Chalemeau D or Clarion A into an Eb or Bb respectively . . .
T(R) 12|X XXX
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2004-11-01 21:42
Mike,
The RC 'Prestige' has different bore design. The UJ on RC is polycylindrical and the LJ is conical.
R13 'Prestige' has polycylindrical bore on both joints.
Europeans think RC is the better, but tell that to the R13 player here in the US.
There's no such thing "a Buffet R13 Prestige RC"
Vytas Krass
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
Post Edited (2004-11-01 21:46)
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Author: Brad
Date: 2004-11-01 22:23
I think there is a little confusion here. A clarinet with 7 rings and 20 keys is a full or semi full boehm system clarinet. I am sure you can order an RC or even an R13 as a full boehm system clarinet. But the RC does not come that way in its default configuration.
The fork Eb/Bb is a thumb, 1 & 3 fingering for Eb and Bb enabled by the addition of a ring on the third tone hole. There is also an extra sliver key between the 4th and 5th tone hole to trill C#/G#. I have an old Leblanc LL Full Boehm but find the extra keys mostly just get in the way and the articulated G# gets out of adjustment pretty easily.
Brad Cohen
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-11-02 02:45
Pardon. Got confused, Brad's description of the "fork" fingering for Bb/Eb is correct (I should've known since I play a FB Amati). The purpose is mainly to help with C to Eb or Db to Eb tremolos (which also utilizes the articulated C#/G# key very well).
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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