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Author: Dan
Date: 2002-12-19 19:51
Because it came so highly recommended and because I sensed that hard rubber would give a better sound, I ordered an HE-3 for a try out.
What follow is my assessment:
1)Packaging: I was rather surprised at the thin cardboard box and the fact that there was no extra packing material inside. The box was, however, securely taped and perhaps because the case was made of a soft material, they may have figured that they didn’t need any extra packing material. (This was shipped from the U.K.)
2)Physical inspection: It is a very nice looking instrument. The keywork plating was immaculate with no noticeable extra play anywhere. The pads appeared to have sufficient height clearance. The thumb rest was quite remarkable. A very thick rubber that seemed to “grab” my thumb. I couldn’t shake the instrument off my thumb. It simply stayed put. The pads were Pisoni yellow double skin bladder and seemed to be installed very professionally. Esthetically they looked very nice.
3)Pressure check: The upper section took around 1 second to descend from 3 to 1 oz per sq in. The lower section took a real nose dive…approx ½ second to descend. Pressing on the keys didn’t seem to make any noticeable difference.
4)Problems:
a)The bell would not go on the lower section. No matter how hard I tried after greasing the cork, it simply would go only about ¼ of the way. The tenon cork was way too thick. I had to very carefully sand it for quite some time to finally get it to fit.
b)Putting the sections together was also rather difficult. I know some players like a tight fit, but I don’t think a child would have been able to assemble it.
c)It wouldn’t play below E4. G4, F4, and E4 were just fine. D4 was soft and muffled and C4 practically made no tone at all. I started doing finger pressure checks and found the F# trill key not seating properly. Upon closer inspection, I found a major problem. The outside post holding the machine screw for the F# key was installed incorrectly. The edge of the pad was touching the clarinet body and I noticed upon removal of the key, that someone had done some serious filing of the tubing to get the key to function at all. When I unscrewed it from the retainer, the key would seat and I continued checking tonal quality and intonation. (Upon reassembly, I noticed that the bottom of the F# trill key was so out of alignment that it simply would not go into the groove but rather hit the edge of the groove making it impossible to go down any further.)
d)Intonation: with the F# key quasi-fixed, I noticed several major deviations in the chalumeau section, especially trill key “B” which was very sharp because the pad height was so extraordinarily high. The altissimo section was quite flat with the flatness increasing as I went up the scale.
e)Tonal Quality: this, of course, varies from ear to ear, so I can only give you my impression. To me, it sounded rather hard. I was expecting a softer sound due to the hard rubber construction. In reference to the YCL-250, I would have to say that the Yamaha sounded better (IMO).
5)Conclusion: I was disappointed at the construction problem and with the sound.
6)Recommendation: I think I’ll just let the facts speak for themselves.
P.S. As long as the manufacturers keep turning out instruments with problems, I don’t think repairpersons have any need to worry about job security. (No sarcasm intended...just further enlightenment.)
I sincerely hope the above has some value to somebody. My Prestini clarinet should be arriving tomorrow. Can you stand another analysis? I don’t mind typing it up if anybody is interested.
Dan
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Author: David Stringer
Date: 2002-12-19 21:33
Hi Dan,
<<Can you stand another analysis? I don’t mind typing it up if anybody is interested. >>
Well, I'm still reading with interest. The Yamaha that you evaluated last was the one I chose after playing a only a couple of choices at the Yamaha store, so I'm hoping that it's the ultimate winner, to sort of validate my own laziness!
David
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Author: Dan
Date: 2002-12-19 22:25
Hi David, thanks for the reply. I still have the YCL-250 sitting right next to me. I've been tempted to see if I could negotiate with WW&BW about a lower price and possibly fix it myself since I know how to do synthetic pad work. IMO, they simply were in a hurry to get things done. I would also remove a lot a thick cork padding between the metal to metal parts in the lower section to "open up" the nearly closed pads. The intonation was very impressive and as I stated earlier, to me, it was a pleasant sounding instrument (even with my plastic reed).
I'll let you know how the Prestini clarinet checks out.
Dan
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Author: dfh
Date: 2002-12-20 01:56
Dan,
I appriciate very much the time you spend inspecting and evaluating these intruments! I'm in the market for an "outside gig" clarient and I have some young students looking for horns, so I find the information helpful. BUT, I'm new to this BB (this is my 3rd visit) and don't know who makes the HE-3 or the Prestini...
Thanks!
dfh
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Author: Dan
Date: 2002-12-20 04:34
dfh, thank you for your response. The HE-3 is a hard rubber clarinet made by Hanson in the U.K. (Great Britain).
About a week ago I posted an analysis of the YCL-250 which is Yamaha's newest student model clarinet made of ABS plastic. (See my posting further on down the BB roster.) You may already know that Prestini is a manufacturer of pads for wind instruments and they are beginning to import a plastic student clarinet and will be putting their name on it. They asked me to evaluate it and I should be receiving it tomorrow.
As for an "outside gig" clarinet, I sense that quite a few people would say to look for a plastic or hard rubber clarinet. I would add, however, to be sure that synthetic pads are installed so if it rains...the entire instrument won't be affected. I believe there is a general agreement to stay with the Big 4 (Buffet, Leblanc, Selmer, and Yamaha).
What I'm finding out is that rarely can a person buy a clarinet that is "ready to play" from the large suppliers of musical instruments. It appears that the profit margin is too low to spend too much time "tweaking" the instrument.
So...I think the best advice I can give you is to contact several of the sponsors of this BB who have a well known reputation. Go back to the main web page and click on "SPONSORS". Also, this website has a "For Sale" section that you might want to check out. Just click on 'CLASSIFIEDS" on the main page and then click on soprano clarinets.
If you need more help, I suggest doing a post and tell everyone about your situation. There are a lot of wonderful people on this BB site who would be willing to help you out with very good advice.
Good Luck!
Dan
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Author: William Olsen
Date: 2002-12-20 09:48
Have you examined or do you plan to examine in this fashion any LeBlanc instruments?
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2002-12-20 16:48
Hi William, thanks for the response. I have been analyzing clarinets that are relatively new on the market and therefor not too much is known about them. The Leblanc student clarinets, to my knowledge, haven't changed in a long time. I presently own a V40 and really enjoy it. Leblancs, IMO, have a reputation for being practically indestructable which means, basically, that they can take a lot of abuse from kids.
Are you interested more in the student line or in the professional series? May I suggest doing a post in the particular Leblanc clarinet that you're interested in and you will probably get quite a few responses.
Hope this helps.
Dan
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2002-12-21 03:09
Dear Dan,
Thank you for a very thorough and thoughtful analysis - it is well organized and very detailed - and could be a model for others that evaluate different instruments. Best!!
The Doctor
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Author: Dan
Date: 2002-12-21 14:01
Thanks Doc for the kind words. Yesterday, I received a new-to- the-market Prestini plastic student model clarinet and I should have another detailed analysis on this BB before the end of the day.
Again, thank you, for validating the usefulness of the information which can take me quite a few hours to complete.
Happy Holidays!!
Dan
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Author: dfh
Date: 2002-12-21 16:07
dan,
thanks for the advice!
dfh
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2002-12-21 17:34
This is new to me since all the Horns (except one soprano sax) I have purchased recently have been old. I expect to have to overhaul and generally repair any old/used/e-Bay instrument. I am a bit surprised that a new horn, even a student model, would not come out of the case playing well.
In the 60's I sat down and played a pile of 25 new R-13's and 25 new Evettes it took hours to pick out the very best. Out of 50 horns there were 50 which played extremely well... performance ready. The only other horn I ever bought new for myself was my Selmer MkVI alto sax. It was never touched by a repair person in it's first 30 years and still is wonderful.
I think it reasonable for the amount a person spends on a new horn that it be in playing condition. What Dan describes is not acceptable in my book... he should be shipping it back as a bad experience. If you buy a new car and the brakes won't stop it would you accept that and say that the dealer or manufacturer didn't really have enough time to do it right? To me a plastic or rubbler horn is in the class of a student model, and there can be absolutely no leeway in demanding that a student horn be in <B>perfect playing condition</b>. An new player (and his/her family) are unable to discern if the problems the player is having are because of inexperience or incompetent horn set-up. You can expect an experienced player to immediately identify a problem with the horn so I assume the manufacturer takes at least the minimum necessary time to insure a sale there.
That new Soprano sax I mentioned is one I got off of e-Bay. I couldn't resist as the price was low enough to justify it's purchase as wall art if it wasn't playable. I was pleased with a good quality case and an excellent playing Selmer knock-off from Taiwan with beautiful workmanship. It sounds nice, plays in tune well and is just nice. The metal seems thin, but for just over $200 what can you expect? This or better is what I would expect from any more reputable dealer or manufacturer.
The problems you state with a new horn just blow my mind, how can such sloppiness occur? Amazing... disgusting!
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