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Author: Dan Dieter
Date: 2002-10-25 04:40
To continue the R13 thread. I have a Buffet and was wondering the identification of this model. What are the distinguishing characteristics of an R13? How can one tell for sure. My Buffet has the 'three cuts,' or flattened areas on the lower joint, and no tenon rings. Serial number is 162814. The Buffet site says 1975 if it is an R13. Any help?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-10-25 11:41
If there's no other identifying markings (such as a model number engraved or a small plate attached) then it's an R13.
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-10-26 02:00
The swoopy RH ring finger sliver key is the easy and positive indicator for the R13 (yes, it will have no other indicator stamped into the body).
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-10-26 02:05
But, "no tenon rings"? That sounds like an Elite if you mean "no metal tenon rings".
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-26 04:14
Mark,
Unless tenon was repaired R-13 have NO tenon RINGS/CAPS
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Author: David Kinder
Date: 2002-10-26 13:51
When I look for an R-13 (or other unlabeled pro buffet clarinet) I look for these things:
* Logo stamped on all 4 pieces of clarinet - barrel, upper joint, lower joint and bell.
* The "swoopy" RH ring finger sliver key on the lower joint.
* The serial number stamped on both the upper joint and lower joint - and the numbers match each other.
* Blue needle springs
* Usually the wood will be a lot more refined and I'd be able to see a better wood grain to R-13's than other heavily stained E-11's.
* And, of course, playability. R13's play a whole lot easier and better than E11's.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-10-26 14:07
Vytas wrote:
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> Mark,
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> Unless tenon was repaired R-13 have NO tenon RINGS/CAPS
Now, I could be wronmg, but I seem to remember there was one period of time where R13s <b>did</b> have tenon rings as a normal accessory.
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-10-26 16:17
I think that is the Prestige/R-13 you are thinking of. If those things are called "rings" what is the correct nomenclature for the rings on the the female part of the tenon? Bands?
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-10-26 16:34
And to be safe, when buying without means to measure the bore, placement of register key and LH toneholes, fraising of A/Ab throat toneholes, length of bell, etc., the serial number should be well past the 48,900 point where there may have been both pre-R-13's and R-13's being numbered in an intermixed way. (See Swiney's story regarding Moennig's correctives to the bore and the matter of the "Academy" models.)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-10-26 17:42
Jim S. wrote:
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> I think that is the Prestige/R-13 you are thinking of.
> If those things are called "rings" what is the correct
> nomenclature for the rings on the the female part of the tenon?
> Bands?
No - the Prestige/RC/Festivals etc. are well marked as to their type. These I remember were the "regular" R13 (no identification) with tenon rings..
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Author: Dan Dieter
Date: 2002-10-27 13:28
Another Indicator? On the F#-C# key, the spring has been mounted on the key itself as opposed to the post. I purchased this clarinet in 'going to repair it, so I took it apart' state, and it appears to be missing several key rods, and, of course, the all telling B-F# 'swoopy' sliver key. It is also missing the register key. I will post a 'parts' post.
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Author: Gary Van Cott
Date: 2002-10-27 15:56
I think that what you are calling a tenon ring at the end of the tenon is called a "tenon cap."
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-27 16:52
Mark wrote:
>>>>>>>>These I remember were the "regular" R13 (no identification) with tenon rings..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The regular R-13 does not have tenon rings/caps. It's probably R-13 Vintage (re-designed new model) you're confused with.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-10-27 17:01
Vytas wrote:
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> Mark wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>These I remember were the "regular" R13 (no
> identification) with tenon rings..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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> The regular R-13 does not have tenon rings/caps. It's probably
> R-13 Vintage (re-designed new model) you're confused with.
Nope, I'm not confused. The Vintage is tagged as such, so I wouldn't confuse them. As I said, I remember seeing a some R13s with tenon caps, but I didn't make note of where or what model numbers, and there's a chance they were all repaired. But it was more than one ...
Or perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly. But I wouldn't have made the mistake of thinking the Vintage was a plain R13.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-27 18:09
If you shop for an R-13 on e-Bay or on the web the first thing you want to do is to examine photos of the Upper-Joint:
Make sure there is "Made in France" just below the BC inscription. There AREN'T any markings below "Made in France" on a regular R-13.
Serial numbers have NO letter/prefix before the number. Look for serial numbers 50,000 – up.
(Exception is the "F" before the serial # which is an indication of a clarinet manufactured for European market ~ A = $442 –444HZ).
Markings on all section should read "Buffet Crampon & Cie, A Paris, BC, Made in France"
Serial number appears twice on UJ and LJ, but some clarinets were stamped once on the Upper-Joint only (1981). If there is No serial number on the UJ and it appears only on LJ, most likely you have replacement Upper-Joint from the factory.
Now you can proceed to other suggestions posted above, just please don't look for the tenon caps or you might end-up baying an instrument with chipped and repaired tenons. LOL
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Author: john acker
Date: 2002-11-05 06:49
I have an R 13 clarinet that you discribed to a tee. The serial number is 49138. How much would it costy to replace it in your opinion? Also what is a master model? Are they R 13's of a certain period?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-11-05 13:48
john acker wrote:
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> I have an R 13 clarinet that you discribed to a tee. The
> serial number is 49138. How much would it costy to replace it
> in your opinion?
With a new R13? Between $1600-$1800
> Also what is a master model?
They were made by Evette & Schaeffer, and during particular moments in time they look as if they might be R13s with some cosmetic flaw, but at other times they look to be completely different.
Do a search for Evette master and page through the results for more insights.
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