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Author: carl rushworth
Date: 2002-10-24 11:58
Does antone know anything about a clarinet i have been given. The marking on it is v.kohlert, sohnr, grslitz, czecho-slovakia, A 247822. If anyone has any idea of its age or any details about it. Also is a clarinet like this worth restoring, its in good condition buts needs all new pads, springs etc a full overhaul i think. So if anyone has an idea of approximate value of a clarinet like this i would be very gratefull for info.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-10-24 12:13
If you search right here for Kohlert (use the Search link) you'll find a wealth of information.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-10-24 16:03
It also helps to check on world history here. There were only two time periods when Czechoslovakia existed under that name.
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Author: David Spiegelthal
Date: 2002-10-24 16:47
And during the later of the two time periods Dee mentions, the town was known as Kraslice rather than Graslitz (if I'm not mistaken) -- this would date your clarinet 1920's to mid-30's timeframe, I think --- Dee? (Before Graslitz they were marked "Bohemia", around the turn of the century methinks.)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-10-24 16:49
Good advice, Dee and Mark. My Kohlert [&Co.] A, Winnenden [Germany] ser # is 23326 [obviously later location-timeperiod]. I do have a K "Albert" system Grazlitz or Kraslice, late 1800's I think. Perhaps Dave S can date yours vs an older bass cl. My A [on bell and UJ] a "grained"-hard rubber or "ebene" plays wery well, up in tune with a slightly shorter mp. Luck, Don
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-10-24 17:00
David Spiegelthal wrote:
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> And during the later of the two time periods Dee
> mentions, the town was known as Kraslice rather than Graslitz
> (if I'm not mistaken) -- this would date your clarinet 1920's
> to mid-30's timeframe, I think --- Dee? (Before Graslitz they
> were marked "Bohemia", around the turn of the century
> methinks.)
This exact discussion is somewhere in a set of prior postings with a conclusion. maybe someone can dig it up & provide a link?
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Author: David Spiegelthal
Date: 2002-10-24 17:21
Unfortunately, Mark, it may have been the same poorly-informed amateurs who had the previous discussion! I seem to be remember being involved in it, another 'blind leading the blind' affair...
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-24 22:51
Dee,
Your check on world history here has nothing to do with Kohlert clarinets. There was only one Czecho-Slovakia period (1919 – 1939) for Kohlert. After World War II Kohlert factory was nationalized and became Amati. Kohlerts migrated to Germany and continued making clarinets there.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-24 23:05
Don,
Does your Kohlert "A" clarinet has an adjusting screw for throat A?
Are the throat Ab key and the throat A key mounted on the same post?
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-24 23:35
carl rushworth,
I own Kohlert Bb LP clarinet. The serial number is very close to yours 2600XX. Keywork suggests it was made in 1929 –1930. BTW clarinet is amazing!! but keep in mind that Kohlert made student grade horns. These have very cheep made keys. If the throat Ab key looks/shaped deferent - you got student grade horn.
I guess your horn is in key of A?
Pro Kohlerts are very underrated hors and do not have a lot of resale value. I would say $300 in mint condition.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-10-24 23:57
World history limits it to two possible periods. Then the history of Kohlert further refines it to one period.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-10-25 14:54
Hi Vytas, I try to respond as my "honey-do's" allow. Brief answer, set-screw, Yes, the "soldered-on" variety, not the "integral-screw type. My A and G# keys have "totally" separate post- pivot rod assemblies, the cl looks very similar to what I think of as the [40's +] Buffet style of key work [17/6]. A good-enough A for my limited use. Interesting thread! Don
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-10-25 15:06
Dee wrote: <There were only two time periods when Czechoslovakia existed under that name.>
All along here I have been under the impression there was only one period. Perhaps you could designate the two?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-10-25 20:34
I checked my old V Kohlert Sons "Albert" 2 + 2 rings, patent C#, a Bb! LP, Grazlitz and "medals" [in gold] with czechoslovakia, no gold,[? a later stencil?], to me a prime example of time-locale confusion, if the bell and body are mates!! A nice-looking, hard-to-play-with-small-hands horn, Boehms are better! Don
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-10-25 21:06
Don,
Your "A" clarinet was made after the Second World War. I would guess in 1955 and up. (Separate post for mentioned keys appeared at the end of 1955 on Buffets)
Your V. Kohlert "Albert" definitely was made in 1919 – 1930 period. Vytas
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-10-25 22:20
Bob,
Czechoslovakia existed as a country twice. The first period was prior to WWII. However it lost it's status when taken over by Germany. Then it was reconstituted as a country after WWII. Eventually it split on its own into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Sorry I can't give you the dates but I shall leave that as an exercise for the student to research.
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