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Author: Lookingforinformationontheclar
Date: 2002-09-29 14:28
Hello, I am an avid clarinet player an I am doing a school project on the clarinet. I'm looking for such information as where did the clarinet originate from and what country, when was it first used etc.
Also I am doing a biography on a virtuoso of the clarinet. The only person I could think of is Benny Goodman.
If you have ANY information at all please e-mail me at crispy_beef81@hotmail.com. I greatly appreciate it.
Thank you
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-09-29 15:45
lookingetc: You have asked questions that have in the past sparked enormous antagonism on this Bulletin Board. Previous similar enquiries have earned a plethora of responses, most to the effect that we do not intend to do your homework for you. However, there should be nothing wrong with putting you on the right track.
As you seem to have this assignment with no knowledge of research techniques, please accept a suggestion to use a web search engine (such as www.google.com) for starters. Simply enter "clarinet inventor" or "clarinet history" (without the quote marks) or something like that, and go from there. You'll probably find all the information you require, and it will be easier than posting a question here.
Regarding your biography of a Clarinet virtuoso: Benny Goodman certainly was one, so there should be nothing wrong with selecting him as the subject of your paper.
Good luck on your projects, and if you need answers to specific questions, come back and ask.
Regards,
John
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-09-29 16:51
JMcAulay has (as usual) nicely summarized the prevailing bulletin board sentiment regarding doing basic reasearch on a very easy subject.
Remember that the point of doing a reasearch project is as much learning where to find the information as is writing the final paper.
As this is a fairly simple project with a wealth of available venues to explore, take a trip to the local library and ask the research librarian to show you where to locate the texts on the history of musical instruments. These library employees are paid to assist students, and (really) do enjoy their job - use their help.
Do not rely on the internet for all you information!! Much of it is incorrect, misleading or factually ambiguous. Anyone can put up a web page and call themselves an "expert".
Research is an important skill that you will use time and time again in college. Learn how to separate the good sources from the spurious, and your final project will show your hard work...GBK
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-09-29 17:38
GBK: I would have said all that too, but I didn't want to seem so long-winded.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-09-29 17:42
JMcAulay...It must be all those extra long tone exercises I have recently been doing. Lots of hot air now available (and we all know what that is worth) ...GBK
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Author: JohnH
Date: 2002-09-29 18:31
Try the Cambridge Companion to Clarinet. It is a collection of articles concerning the development of the clarinet, performers, playing, etc. In addition, many of the articles are in academic style with footnotes and bibliography.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2002-09-29 21:26
You know, these inds of posts really irritates me (for once). This BBoard is not only the finest comprehensive A to Z clarinet source on the www, boasts contributions among the finest amateur/professional players and teachers in the world, but suberbly monitored and administrated. Almost all of these charitable souls are willing to "freely" give of their talents, knowledge and experience in valuable advice to those "genuinely" in need. Gentlemen, (as usual) you are too kind. This individual, in my opinion is a lazy kid wanting nothing more than to be "spoon fed" material and take advantage of people's good nature so he can just cut/paste a cheap assignment together to get his crummy C-. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. <:-(
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-09-29 21:31
And above all else, when using an other's published material--cite the source documentation and put the "lifted" material in quotes. To do anything else is, basically, theft
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-29 21:35
Ken wrote:
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> This individual, in my opinion is a lazy kid wanting nothing
> more than to be "spoon fed" material and take advantage of
> people's good nature so he can just cut/paste a cheap
> assignment together to get his crummy C-. <:-(
Let's not judge so harshly. The web is a fine place to ask questions, but perhaps the questions can be put in a better manner. All this person needs is pointers to reliable sources - there was nothing in there that asked for specifics, just "ANY information at all".
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Author: John Kelly - Australia
Date: 2002-09-29 23:54
Ken,
He must have searched for the BB in the first place and now he's asking questions of people. I can't see how that can be classified as lazy. I don't think the preeceeding posts are "giving anything away"??!! - it seems to me that we are offering sources of information to him to research - we are not writing the assignment for him. The last 3 or 4 lines of your post are surely a gag of some sort?
My suggestion to him is to read the Jack Brymer book "Clarinet" and the "Cambridge Companion" is also excellent.
My choice of clarinet virtuoso is Barney Bigard.
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-09-30 00:22
Groves Dictionary of Music and Musicians - a fine British text with an excellent artilcle on the clarinet - find it at your local city library - it would be an excellent starting point.
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Author: Willie
Date: 2002-09-30 03:59
As said before, there is lots of bum information floating around on the internet, so use caution. I would like to suggest going over to the nearest community or jr. college and check with their library. Most will let highschoolers have access. They almost always have some good publications on this subject for the benifit of the music majors.
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-09-30 04:18
Amazing it took 10 posts to mention Groves, usually someone (sometimes even me) mentions it early on in one of these threads. Before there were search engines, before the internet, even before computers... there was Groves Dictionary.
Groves should be your first stop in researching any musical topic. From there you can branch off to other sources. As it is a very reputable and discipline specific source, I've never heard of any teacher objecting to a citation from it. (And I've used it as a source for numerous college papers.) Look for it in the REFERENCE section of any decent size library. Due to its cost I've never seen a library offer it for circulation.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-09-30 16:47
I wrote to our apellant: "you seem to have this assignment with no knowledge of research techniques...." That statement was dead serious. I have taught high school students, as has GBK. We are no doubt not alone among those who frequent this board. It is amazing that some teachers will assign research papers to students without first determining that the students have the slightest conception of how to do a research paper. I note that GBK's first post gave some excellent information, and my response was more fact than jest. My suggestion's intent was only to offer the student a useful starting point, as stated.
It is true that the www contains inaccurate "information." Also does, to a mercifully lesser degree, every printed reference I have ever read. Part of the research process is very definitely the need to become conversant in historiography and to try to evaluate the available sources for goodness. But we find that the usual ground rules of historiography aren't all that swift, either. Laying this sort of requirement on a student who likely isn't beyond the ninth grade is quite a heavy burden. This questioner doesn't know how to research a paper *at all*, and it's a good idea to tell him how to work at a graduate level? And do it in a paragraph or two? I don't think so. This is tantamount to giving a first-year Clarinet player a copy of the K622 and say, "learn to play this, and you'll really be doing okay." Anyone who disagrees is invited to raise that right hand so your vote can be counted.
By the way, i tried taking my own suggestion to heart and "Googled" my way to a potentially reputable source on the www. My selection at random (not the first URL presented) was http://baroque-music.com/wc/info/clarinet.shtml. There is found, in the first paragraph of "Clarinet information," the curious statement that "It was not playable in all keys until 1843 when Klose adapted the Boehm flute key system to the clarinet." We may presume that Iwan Müller is rotating in his crypt. The introductory page of this website offers "Welcome to the definitive source for everything related to Baroque music." Of course, the definitive nature of this source may collapse as we exit the Baroque period. By the 19th century, it really falls apart.
Doing a research paper is filled with pitfalls. Many of us are aware of this. Younger students must learn it. But no posting on this BB is going to teach them. If there is a true intent to provide assistance, I believe it should be offered at a level which can be used to advantage by the questioner. And please, something like "you stupid idiotic moron, why are you asking that here?" is surely no help at all. Remember that "Research 101" recommends personal contact with experts for superior quality of information. I don't recall that castigation was mentioned.
And so far as accuracy of sources is concerned, I would wager real money that any source cited on this thread contains at least one example of inaccuracy or the citation of an unconfirmed item as utter fact. Certainly, some are better than others, but there is no such thing as an infallible source.
Regards,
John
now donning Nomex vest
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-09-30 17:04
JMcAulay...Bravo.
By the way, take off the vest, you're safe...GBK
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Author: Vic
Date: 2002-09-30 17:31
Let me just add my confirmation of JMcAulay's post. I frequently teach graduate-level classes in Organizational Theory and Behavior for a local University's MBA program. He is absolutely right on the money. As a matter of fact, this quarter I'll be teaching two classes in Mangagerial Communications and Research Methods. Research is almost an art unto itself. As John said, inaccuracies abound, and the competent researcher will gradually identify these as the research progresses. GBK mentioned librarians - they are excellent guides, use them. Also, when doing research on the web, give a bit more credence to information found on ".edu" sites as opposed to information found on other sites. But even then, search the references to be found there, the references used by those references and so on. And, of course, try to use as many primary resources as possible.
Vic (a research junkie)
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Author: jenna
Date: 2002-09-30 21:33
To take this on another level..
I've written papers for high school where I have cited personal interviews, emails, etc. in papers. If I was doing a paper that was clarinet related, and knowing that this site is as helpful as it is, I might try to find someone knowledgable in the area I was researching to give me some information.
For example: If I were writing a paper on the importance of the way a clarinet is assembled, I may get in touch with one of the many fine techs that frequent the board. If I want to write a paper about pursuing music as a career, I could try to talk to one of our professional musuicans for insider information. (I know, not very good examples, but I hope you understand what I am getting at.)
This may not be what the original poster was looking for, but it is another reason why one could come here for help on a research project.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-09-30 21:58
We do have some quite expert technicians and players on this board. However, I don't think any of us are all that expert on the history of the clarinet. In this area, one should look at Brymer, Rendall and others who have done the scholarly research.
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Author: Karel
Date: 2002-10-02 12:06
There is quite a good article in the "Online Clarinet Resource"at
<www.ocr.woodwind.org/articles/index.html> by Ackerman on "The History of the Early Clarinet".
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Author: Karel
Date: 2002-10-02 12:10
Sorry, the link got missed out: "www.ocr.woodwind.org/articles/index.html"
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