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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-26 10:55
Well i played clarinet for the first today since getting my tongue pierced two days ago and I can honestly say I didn't notice any appreciable effect on my playing or sound(still hopeless;)
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Author: William
Date: 2002-09-26 14:30
Thanks for the update. But until some clarinetist of international reputation proves scientifically that tongue piercing actually improves their sound and technical skills, I will pass on getting mine done. I can just imagine what my 97 yr old mother would say--probably something much less subtil than you have endured from some of us. (the verbal equal of GBK's self portrait) However, if Larry Combs or Ricardo Morelas improves their playing via body piercings, I'll reconsider--in spite of what my mom may say. Good Luck.
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Author: d dow
Date: 2002-09-26 14:38
Just don't get the tongue infected...!!!!1
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Author: Joe
Date: 2002-09-26 15:10
This may surprise you, but most of us don't really care ...................
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-26 15:31
Bunch of miserable no imagination [deleted]
[You get exactly one chance with language like that. If you try it again you won't be posting again. Ever. Mark C., Webmaster]
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Author: Sarah
Date: 2002-09-26 15:38
If you like it, then that is what matters, right? People don't have to agree with your reasoning, but they (and you) should have a little (or a lot) more tact when posting on a public forum.
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Author: Matt Locker
Date: 2002-09-26 16:06
Cherrybomb:
You invited comments, so don't get upset when others make comments you don't like. There have been 20 reasonable comments to the 2 that have no value at all. Your last one makes it three and did nothing for your standing here.
MOO,
Matt
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-09-26 16:24
Congratulations, you now rate higher on the "ignore posting" list than our previous leader, the "total crap" commentator.
Bob A
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-09-26 16:33
Cherrybomb said: "...!@#$%*&*!..."
Spoken with total class, like a true aspiring artist/professional.
You make us proud...GBK
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Author: William
Date: 2002-09-26 16:38
I hope that you were not including me in your all inclusive commentary ("f....g c....s). My comments to you were meant to add perspective and be somewhat supportive of your own individuality. I try not to be judgemental, sarcastic, or umimaginative. Please, go to your practice room, do thiry minutes of long tones, and then return. It will be good for your self-described "hopeless" tone quality and attitude adjustment. Again, good luck.
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Author: Vic
Date: 2002-09-26 16:46
Well, at least we now know what kind of person gets their tongue pierced.
That being said, some of the comments directed toward Cherrybomb were a little harsh. Obviously this is a subject that generates passion on both sides. Rebelliousness flourishes in youth. It's the natural way of things. In my youth it was duck-tail haircuts.
Cherrybomb - don't take it so seriously.
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Author: Todd Wees
Date: 2002-09-26 16:51
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that a Cherrybomb (and its very imaginative writing) blew up in our face.
Todd W.
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Author: Robert
Date: 2002-09-26 16:55
I can understand Cherrybomb's frustration. Her original question was:
"Has anyone on the board any experience of playing the clarinet with a tongue piercing, ie has it affected their tonguing etc?"
This seems to me to be a reasonable question, and an understandable concern for a clarinetist. Personally I would find it interesting to find out if toungue-piercing affects playing in any way, espcially for any students of mine who might be considering this in the future.
I found most of the comments silly and unreasonable. Somebody asked a serious question, and all most of you could come up with were your own prejudices and (self-perceived) wit.
Bunch of miserable %&/*"@+§'s!!!
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Author: Neil
Date: 2002-09-26 20:05
Thanks for the update, Cherrybomb. Some of us actually do care. I'm not planning to get my tongue pierced but should anyone I know express such a desire I can tell them that it should not impair their clarinet playing. Some people don't like my tattoos, so dont feel too bad. Individuals and innovators are always criticized by those who stick to the herd.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-26 20:46
As I said before, if you want to make constructive comments, go ahead. Destructive ones are not welcome here.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-09-26 23:07
I agree Robert.
Both the piercing and the outburst possibly come from the general frustration of being on the receiving end of negative attitudes of older people involved in her life.
The outburst is not appropriate, but understandable.
BTW Cherrybomb, did you check on the link I offered in your previous thread? Reaction?
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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2002-09-27 00:56
After doing extensive research there is only one reason that one has thier tongue pierced.
It has nothing to do with playing the clarinet.
have fun
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-09-27 01:19
This thread has been one of the more hilarious in a while ... thanks to all for the laugh.
If anyone came to play for me in a show with body piercing - I'd tell them to leave (without payment). As the MD, it's my decision who I hire and if I think a clarinetist (or any other musician) looks plain grotty or ugly as a result of having a pirate ring through their nose (or any other obvious body part) then I won't use them, simple.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-09-27 01:29
While these activities may be means of personal expression, neither body piercing nor tattooing are innovative. They are very old and their beginnings are lost in the mists of pre-history.
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Author: lynn
Date: 2002-09-27 01:59
My husband (who is professor of clarinet at a university which shall go unnamed) had a student with one of those tongue piercings.
The piercing DOES get in the way. It cuts the muscles in your tongue! So either this person can't tongue to begin with (hence the lack of difference) or .....or..... well, I guess there's not another option, is there? I can't see how cutting the muscles in your tongue could do anything to Help performance. It certainly does nothing to impress your clarinet teacher.
In any case, she did not get a very good grade.......something to keep in mind. Also gives new meaning to the phrase "please saw my legs off...."
Lynn
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-09-27 03:18
As a liberal in real life (I also play one on TV), I still cannot comprehend how someone wakes up one morning and declares:
"Today I am going to imbed a shaft of metal in my tongue, and best of all, I think I will have some big, hairy, sweaty guy in a local storefront do it for me."
I guess the generation gap is just a little wider than I thought...GBK
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-27 03:29
GBK wrote:
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> As a liberal in real life (I also play one on TV), I
> still cannot comprehend how someone wakes up one morning and
> declares:
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> "Today I am going to imbed a shaft of metal in my tongue, and
> best of all, I think I will have some big, hairy, sweaty guy in
> a local storefront do it for me."
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> I guess the generation gap is just a little wider than I
> thought...GBK
As a conservative in real life (I play one on HDTV, not those old fuzzy things ...) I still cannot comprehend how someone wakes up one morning and declares:
"Today I am going to let a big, hairy, sweaty guy in a local storefront poke thousands of holes in my skin so a pigment of indeterminate origin can be injected."
Yet that's been done in some cultures for a long, long time and is considered something beautiful.
As a former Navy guy, I guess I never got to the right level of drunkeness. The point just <b>before</b> you pass out ...
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-09-27 03:39
Mark, me too! Except I am so scared of needles that it just would not happen, I always passed out first.
Bob A
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Author: Royce
Date: 2002-09-27 03:45
Sign on a tattoo parlor: "Permanent reminder of temporary insanity"
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-09-27 04:12
I'm afraid as to where we are all heading:
<img src="http://www.howstrange.com/gallery/elevator.gif" width="280" height="210">
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-09-27 05:12
Thanks GBK! As a Catholic School grad. I've often heard of that elevator, but have never seen it!
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-09-27 05:29
As an athiest I find it an absurd thing, GBK (tsk tsk tsk)
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-27 09:06
Actually I'm a very feminine and well presented person although I do not mind tatoos and other body odornments I have chosen to only have my tongue and my ears pierced once as these are discreet and appropriate,and as for my supposedly questionable tongueing ability,my previous teachers have always complimented my on my technique and my boyfriends aren't exactly complaining either!
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-09-27 13:22
Mark wrote "As a conservative in real life... I still cannot comprehend how someone wakes up one morning and declares:
'Today I am going to let a big, hairy, sweaty guy in a local storefront poke thousands of holes in my skin so a pigment of indeterminate origin can be injected.'"
In response to that, and the others making such uncomprehending statements, I cannot understand how someone wakes up in the morning and decares, "Today I am going to take myh baby son to a strange man in a white coat and let him get out his bits of gadgetry and a knife, and remove skin including 40% of the nerves of one of the most significant pleasure centers of my baby son's skin."
And isn't this still the norm in America!
I'd rather have my tongue pierced!
Lynn wrote ".... The piercing DOES get in the way. It cuts the muscles in your tongue! So either this person can't tongue to begin with (hence the lack of difference) or .....or..... well, I guess there's not another option, is there? I can't see how cutting the muscles in your tongue could do anything to Help performance. It certainly does nothing to impress your clarinet teacher.
In any case, she did not get a very good grade.......something to keep in mind."
Yes, it does damage perhaps 0.1% of the tongue's muscle, and that quickly heals. I would do 50 times as much damage in accidentally biting my tongue. And touching a vibrating reed quite possibly does nerve damage, as any numb-tongued beginner will tell you; we get used to it!
This issue is not about whether it does anything to "help performance"; it is about whether it does harm to clarinet playing.
Do not assume that all clarinet teachers are the same.
"In any case, she did not get a very good grade......."
I hope that is not because of the attitude of her teacher!
She could well have had a pierced tongue and have no hardware in it during her exam. Or indeed have had hardware in it and the examiner not noticed. I would hope that the examiner had the integrity to be judging her playing, not his personal limitations.
Let's face it, most of the responses to this topic are a disgraceful display of prejudice, little else.
During the time of The Beetles there could have been a similar display about a male playing the clarinet with hair half way to his shoulders. Shock, horror! The hair grease could get on the reed! Or a female orchestral player with a hint of cleavage showing.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-27 13:33
Gordon (NZ) wrote:
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> And isn't this still the norm in America!
Not for some years unless you're Jewish or Catholic. And the Catholics have cut back.
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-27 14:27
I appreciate the "rebels" getting tattoos and rings and other self-mutilations. I can spot them before I smell their misguided attitudes and avoid them more easily. Thanks Cherrybomb for letting the world know you're a malcontent.
It will look as stupid as the hippies do in a few years, but you will have more trouble getting rid of it. Plus, there is a tendancy to chip teeth, get extra gum problems and if you have an undetected heart valve problem, develop nasty heart problems due to infections.
Won't you look cute as an old Granny with your tongue decorated? Those tattooed Senior citizens will be laughable too in forty years.
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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2002-09-27 14:40
she wrote:
tongueing ability,my
previous teachers have always complimented my on my technique and my boyfriends aren't
exactly complaining either!
i rest my case. on to the next case please.
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Author: Robert
Date: 2002-09-27 14:57
On the topic of circumcision, Mark wrote:
"Not for some years unless you're Jewish or Catholic. And the Catholics have cut back."
I really hope you didn't mean that literally!
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Author: Robert
Date: 2002-09-27 15:00
Oh, Ginny... I suppose Cherrybomb could actually remove the toungue stud before she becomes an old Granny?
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Author: RonD
Date: 2002-09-27 15:54
On the use of nose rings, I no longer shop at the local music store due to one of the clerks and his nose ring. I cant take my eyes off it and I am in constant fear of something driping out of his nose and I refuse to touch any thing that he has handled, certanly not mouthpieces, my choice is to stop shoping there or dissenfect everything that I wish to purchase. I took the easy way out. I now shop at another store. I feel the same way about toungue studs, just not as severe.
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Author: Brian B
Date: 2002-09-27 17:11
I am amazed at all the judgemental attitudes and prejudice from this group on this topic. Gordon seems to be the only person on the list with any sense!  I've been playing professionally for 9 years, ever since finishing grad school. I'm pierced, tattooed, and shave my head. I have never had a music director, conductor, school administrator or colleague say anything negative to me about it. I am astonished that people on this list would fire someone who showed up to a gig with a piercing, or not shop at a store because an employee has a piercing. We're in the arts. I would think that would help promote individualism, but apparently i'm wrong.
Brian
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Author: Vic
Date: 2002-09-27 17:49
Well, when you deviate from the "norm," be prepared for non-acceptance. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. There are societal standards, even within sub-cultures, and deviation from those standards will generate controversy. Eventually those deviations can become the new standard, but it takes a while. To expect immediate acceptance is unreasonable. That non-acceptance may not be "right," but it is a natural part of any cultural shift.
But don't delude yourself into believing that piercing or tattooing your body is innovative, that you're some kind of dazzling thinker merely ahead of your time, because you're not - you're merely indulging in sophomoric fantasy. Einstein was an innovator. Copernicus and Madame Curie were innovators. Dizzy Gillespie, Lester Young, and Charlie Parker were innovators, as were folks like Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Jimi Hendrix, and such. You're merely changing your own body. There's nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want to do - it's your body. But you're not being innovative, and be prepared for the raised eyebrows from those living within the cultural norm.
Vic
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Author: Brian B
Date: 2002-09-27 19:32
Vic, I am assuming your comments were directed towards me. I never said i was an innovator. I was merely trying to help those young people (or whoever)know that it's ok not to be part of the "norm". Life would get pretty boring if we all fit into the so-called acceptable "norm". As for the list of "innovators" you mentioned, would any of them have been less of an innovator if they had been tattooed or pierced? I doubt it. They are remembered for their contributions to the world. Much the same as we should all be judged by what we do (ie, our playing ability or work performance) rather than by how we look.
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Author: Vic
Date: 2002-09-27 20:35
Brian, no, they weren't directed at you, but more at Cherrybomb herself and primarily someone from an earlier post to this same thread - I forget whom. Nope, those tattoos and piercings would not have had a frigging thing to do with the innovations perpetrated by those on my list. As a matter of fact, I see nothing wrong with someone wanting to do that to (for) themselves. I wouldn't, but that's me. My point was that if one DOES do it, be prepared for criticism from some folks within the "norm." You're correct, we should be judged by what we do, rather than by how we look. No argument. My point was that frequently (mostly) culture changes take considerable time to become accepted. Again, that may not be right, but that's the way it is. We're people - we think differently, we vote differently, and we live differently. Personally, I'll accept just about anything as long as it doesn't infringe upon my own personal freedom. I think a tattoo is ridiculous, but it's not going to stop me from hiring you to do a job. It might stop some folks, however, and that's just as much their right as it yours to get the tattoo in the first place. And RonD has just as much a right not to purchase from a fellow with a nose ring as that fellow does to have the nose ring. But it would be a pretty #@$%#*$@ boring world if everyone was exactly the same and thought exactly the same way about everything.
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Author: Pam
Date: 2002-09-28 00:47
I find it interesting that Cherrybomb didn't even seem concerned about the effects of piercing her tongue on her playing ability until AFTER the deed was done. Well, the impetutiousness of youth. She can take it out later when she gets tired of it or the fad passes and there is a new way to decorate oneself.
Isn't it funny how so many young people all do the same things to try and prove their individuality? (Or old folks pretending to be young.)
There's probably nothing wrong with it. Just a part of growing up.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-09-28 05:34
Ginny: "It will look as stupid as the hippies do in a few years, but you will have more trouble getting rid of it. Plus, there is a tendancy to chip teeth, get extra gum problems and if you have an undetected heart valve problem, develop nasty heart problems due to infections.
Won't you look cute as an old Granny with your tongue decorated? Those tattooed Senior citizens will be laughable too in forty years."
Ginny, you sure are clutching at straws here!
"It will look as stupid as the hippies do in a few years" Have you noticed how smart those long-haired louts, The Beetles look?
"...but you will have more trouble getting rid of it." It's not a tatoo, for goodness sake. It is only a minute hole that will more than likely close up if left for a while.
"..there is a tendancy to chip teeth..." The topic is how it affects clarinet playing, not teeth.
"...get extra gum problems..." How?
"...if you have an undetected heart valve problem, develop nasty heart problems due to infections..." The same if you prick your finger sewing, or far worse if you bite your tongue, which we have all done. Yes, a theoretical possibility, but I dount it has been documented as happening! It would have to be an idiot that allowed an infection - any infection in a conspicuous place - to develop this far.
"Won't you look cute as an old Granny with your tongue decorated?" It is not there forever!!!
"Those tattooed Senior citizens will be laughable too in forty years." There is a Maori custom for women to be tatooed around their mouth area. To me it looks ugly, but the few who still do it wear it with enormous pride and honour in their culture for their entire life.
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-28 06:48
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/399218.stm
and any other number of Googled articles will confirm infections and tooth chipping as a result of following yet another stupid trendy idea.
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Author: Karel
Date: 2002-09-28 08:15
Someone asked Cherrybomb to explain why, if she is serious about her clarinet playing, did she not wait with her tongue-piercing until after the replies to her question? The point of the discussion is rather lost after the event. I have been looking out for her reply, so far in vain. Come on , Cherrybomb, tell us.
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-28 08:21
yeah I am an oldie trying to be young lmao I'm 30 and here among my peers tongue piercing is becomeing more common than nose piercing.I do not do it to be different merely because i liked the way it looked on others,Like I may choose a different hairstyle.
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Author: Karel
Date: 2002-09-28 12:24
That was a "politician's answer" that did not address the question. Anotherwords, why start a debate if you don't care what the answers are?
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-28 14:47
Perhaps the same reason as the tongue piercing, to get negative attention.
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-29 18:59
I wouldnt say I have recieved negative attention anywhere other than this board and I did ask advice before I had the piercing I asked my teacher and some members of the orchestra all said it shouldnt be a problem.Where I live tongue piercing certainly is not uncommon among people of my generation who have the same taste in music and nightlife as myself,in fact I have recieved many more positive comments than negative ones.espisially from men.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-09-29 20:04
I defy anyone to prove conclusively that Madame Curie did *not* have a pierced tongue.
And Brian B is "amazed at all the judgemental attitudes and prejudice from this group...." Brian, I've been half asleep for a few years and they don't amaze me at all.
Regards,
John
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Author: Fred
Date: 2002-09-29 21:58
I'm not likely to get my tongue pierced, but what's the big deal with Cherrybomb wanting to do it? I know . . . she asked for opinions and then did the deed without waiting for feedback. Let all who have never done the same thing in other circumstances please stand up. As for the danger aspect, my being 30lbs overweight is probably as significant a health risk as her tongue stud. Anyway, I don't really believe it's her health risk that has folks all riled up.
I know that there is a . . . call it a fear . . . of getting to know people who aren't like you. It's easy to categorize people as crazy, perverted, religious, handicapped, country, whatever . . . and avoid having anything to do with those people. And it's not just mainstream folks shunning the "weirdos"; how many sub-culture people go out of their way to have mainstream friends? Most of us are more comfortable around people just like ourselves, and that causes us to miss a lot of great opportunities to know and understand others. Unfortunately, when we do get together, our barriers usually stay up and nothing gets said to find out who the other person really is.
And in case you think I'm pointing fingers, most of what I said could be used in my own indictment. I'll try to do better.
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-29 22:17
Well this is off clarinet playing. If you google you can find studies linking tattoos and piercings to anti-social behaviors. Not my linkage, but statistically linked. People choose their look to represent themselves.
http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0507024.htm
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-09-29 23:21
Ginny, you seem to be perpetuating your prejudice in making or finding negative generalizations and applying them to an individual in a situation we know little about.
There is probably also a statistical link between playing the clarinet and dying from cancer (seeing both are prevalent in the developed world, and possibly a positive corelation between playing the clarinet and desensitizing the nerves of the lips so that kissing pleasures are reduced. Bid deal! We all choose what we want to do, and should show some respect for the choices of others.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-29 23:45
Ginny wrote:
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> Well this is off clarinet playing. If you google you can
> find studies linking tattoos and piercings to anti-social
> behaviors. Not my linkage, but statistically linked.
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> http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0507024.htm
Excuse me. Those are risky behaviours, not anti-social. Big difference!
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-30 00:16
Mark shoplifting is anti-social as is having friends in gangs, these are included in the cite as linked to piercing behavior. I guess I should have mentioned the risk taking behavior. Hep C is directly linked to the lack of santitary conditions some piercing is performed under and linked at a rather frightening rate. Again, people I have no desire to have over as dinner guests.
Those who choose self-mutilation also know full well about the view many take of them. You live with your life choices.
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-30 00:24
"We all choose what we want to do, and should show some respect for the
choices of others."
And I choose to avoid and dislike risk-taking fad followers.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-30 01:07
Ginny wrote:
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> And I choose to avoid and dislike risk-taking fad
> followers.
May as well avoid me. I used to sky-dive, about as risky as it gets. Along with occasionally drinking to excess, driving too fast for conditions, and a number of other vices I won't get into.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-30 01:10
Ginny wrote:
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> Mark shoplifting is anti-social as is having friends in
> gangs, these are included in the cite as linked to piercing
> behavior. I guess I should have mentioned the risk taking
> behavior.
Having friends in gangs is not "anti-social". It's social behaviour, though not of your type of society. Shoplifting and graffiti is.
Your cite goes on to say:
"The team found no link between piercings in girls and poor grades, drug or alcohol use, or violent behavior."
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-09-30 01:12
wow - I've not been bitten by Mark C for ages - maybe I'm on a good behaviour bond?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-30 01:13
diz wrote:
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> wow - I've not been bitten by Mark C for ages - maybe I'm
> on a good behaviour bond?
Not anymore ...
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2002-09-30 02:46
Hey Mark, I've known we would not be great friends for a long time... as much as I appreciate the board here!
We can talk about society's need for risk takers, there is one. The Navy's a great place for that, really. We do need people who can do the scarey stuff, fly the fighter planes and such. And yeah, I am not very much draw toward 'bad boys' or girls. Repelled actually, coming from a long line of nerds whom bullies and bad boys beat on whenever possible. Thus,I have sensible Darwin based avoidance and repulsion to these types. Yes, I would have avoided you when you where into risk taking.
Cherry makes that a statement that its like getting a hairdoo, except that it will cause social rejection (see elsewhere in the thread) and possible health complications. As I said check the BBC health area, or Nature under dentistry.
Clarinets, did we want to discuss clarinets?
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-30 07:47
Shoplifting and graffiti eh?Not even when I was young enough not to know any better.I'm as ordinary as they come I wear conventional clothes dress smartly to go out and work at the local primary school a few hors a week ,also I teach music voluntarily in some local community groups.Many of my friends are bikers which I guess may just confirm your worst fears but I was brought up with rock music and this has stayed with me ever since,Among my friends are solliciters nurses and a forensic phsychologist as well as many musicians all these people have conventional respectable jobs and also piercings some of which even make my eyes water so pls dont assume someone does certain behaviours because of a tiny piece of metal in there skin I'll bet many female and male members of this board have their ears pierced and never think anything of it.
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-30 07:49
Shoplifting and graffiti eh?Not even when I was young enough not to know any better.I'm as ordinary as they come I wear conventional clothes dress smartly to go out and work at the local primary school a few hors a week ,also I teach music voluntarily in some local community groups.Many of my friends are bikers which I guess may just confirm your worst fears but I was brought up with rock music and this has stayed with me ever since,Among my friends are solliciters nurses and a forensic phsychologist as well as many musicians all these people have conventional respectable jobs and also piercings some of which even make my eyes water so pls dont assume someone does certain behaviours because of a tiny piece of metal in there skin I'll bet many female and male members of this board have their ears pierced and never think anything of it.
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Author: Cherrybomb
Date: 2002-09-30 07:49
Shoplifting and graffiti eh?Not even when I was young enough not to know any better.I'm as ordinary as they come I wear conventional clothes dress smartly to go out and work at the local primary school a few hors a week ,also I teach music voluntarily in some local community groups.Many of my friends are bikers which I guess may just confirm your worst fears but I was brought up with rock music and this has stayed with me ever since,Among my friends are solliciters nurses and a forensic phsychologist as well as many musicians all these people have conventional respectable jobs and also piercings some of which even make my eyes water so pls dont assume someone does certain behaviours because of a tiny piece of metal in there skin I'll bet many female and male members of this board have their ears pierced and never think anything of it.
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Author: Karl
Date: 2002-09-30 20:13
Diz wrote:
<<<If anyone came to play for me in a show with body piercing - I'd tell them to leave (without payment). As the MD, it's my decision who I hire and if I think a clarinetist (or any other musician) looks plain grotty or ugly as a result of having a pirate ring through their nose (or any other obvious body part) then I won't use them, simple.
Thank heavens I have better gigs to play than your shows, Diz!
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Author: Karl
Date: 2002-09-30 20:15
sorry, here's what Diz wrote:
<<<If anyone came to play for me in a show with body piercing - I'd tell them to leave (without payment). As the MD, it's my decision who I hire and if I think a clarinetist (or any other musician) looks plain grotty or ugly as a result of having a pirate ring through their nose (or any other obvious body part) then I won't use them, simple.
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Author: Karl
Date: 2002-09-30 20:16
oh dear, cut and paste isn't working!
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The Clarinet Pages
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