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Author: A
Date: 1999-08-19 01:24
Can anyone recommend a good ligature that only has one screw in the front instead of the traditional ligature with twi screws in the back. I have the Rovner, but I am looking for ones that have better control.
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-08-19 03:23
The ligatures i've tried and have liked have been the Rovner Eddie Daniels II, BG Traditional and Revelation, Peter Spriggs' Floating Rails Ligature, and Charlie Bay's Gold Covered. I use the Eddie Daniels and Floating Rails with my Kaspar, the Bay with my Clark Fobes, and the two BG ligatures on my Greg Smith Eb mpc. I've tried the BG Revelation on my Kaspar and wasn't particularly impressed. There's also the Winslow ligature but i don't recommend those for anything smaller than Alto sax mouthpieces. For anything smaller, they just don't do much more than a regular ligature.
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Author: Sara
Date: 1999-08-19 03:26
I haven't really tried a lot of ligatures but I switched to a B&G Super relavation a couple of months ago from my rovner and I really like the tone I get from it. I use that with my B45. Hope I could help!
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Author: Dee
Date: 1999-08-19 03:49
My how times change. Even though the inverted ligarture (screws away from the reed) is now extremely common, the term "traditional ligature" is generally applied to a metal ligature with two screws on the reed side of the mouthpiece.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-08-19 04:28
Brancher's 'Leggerio'.It has two rails inside to contact with reed like Bonade but has one screw.It has an enough mass.
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-08-19 14:12
Hiroshi wrote:
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Brancher's 'Leggerio'.It has two rails inside to contact with reed like Bonade but has one screw.It has an enough mass.
The problem i had with the Brancher, and which is why i sold it, is that the plate most often sat crooked. You had to do bending to the two wire size bands that wrapped around to the screw to manipulate the plate. I personally think the quality control of the Brancher is as bad as on the Bonade.
The new Floating Rails ligature is another contortion on the Bonade ligature. Only i feel it is better than the Bonade and most any other ligature out there. Atleast, for me it is. The only ligature i'd rather have more is a Kaspar to go along with my mouthpiece.
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Author: Drew
Date: 1999-08-19 15:09
I keep hearing about the "legendary" Kaspar ligatures. What made them so good? If there were as good as everyone says, why hasn't some enterprising musician marketed a clone?
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Author: William Fuller
Date: 1999-08-19 15:10
I use the Winslow ligs on all of my clarinets and saxophones and am happy with the resulting sound. (I think, at last count, I have nine of his ligs.) I have used the Laurie, Bonade inverted, Rovner, Bay, B.G., and a string lig. The Winslows beat them all in tone production and response. Only problem is--they are quite expensive.
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Author: Greg
Date: 1999-08-19 17:18
It may be just around the corner......although the Bonade inverted and the Spriggs that Daniel mentioned play better for me than any Kaspar ligature that I have or have tried.
If LeBlanc could get their act together re: quality control, the Bonade inverted would be for many by far the finest sounding ligature on the market. The problem is that they come deformed and it takes a couple of needle nosed pliers to bend them to their properly intended shape. If you were to try 10 Bonades that were shaped the way that they were intended, then there would be at least a couple that would jump out at you so to speak.
Many clarinetists are judging the Bonades capabilities on defective examples.It is a fragile piece by design that even when dropped will never play as well again.
Greg Smith
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I keep hearing about the "legendary" Kaspar ligatures. What made them so good? If there were as good as everyone says, why hasn't some enterprising musician marketed a clone?
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-08-19 22:08
Drew wrote:
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I keep hearing about the "legendary" Kaspar ligatures. What made them so good? If there were as good as everyone says, why hasn't some enterprising musician marketed a clone?
Actually, Richard Hawkins came across a stash of old Kaspar ligatures (unassembled) and Leblanc was to start copying them and selling them and possibly the originals as well... but that project got swept under the rug for now.
I'm not sure why they are so much better than other ligatures. But i've been drooling over the two my teacher has for the last 6 years. I've come close a couple of times but they slipped away. There's one guy asking way to much for several that he has that i may end up purchasing a couple from at a later date.
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Author: angella
Date: 1999-08-20 02:36
what then would you recommend? I know some ligatures, as anything, would work better for some than for others but, just for a ligature, I'm not sure I really want to go on a trial frenzy. I was considering the Bonade, but I don't want to mess with quality problems. Would you recommend the
new Vandoren, or have you any thoughts? Thanks!
Angella
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Author: Greg
Date: 1999-08-20 05:47
angella wrote:
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what then would you recommend? I know some ligatures, as anything, would work better for some than for others but, just for a ligature, I'm not sure I really want to go on a trial frenzy. I was considering the Bonade, but I don't want to mess with quality problems. Would you recommend the
new Vandoren, or have you any thoughts? Thanks!
Angella
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Well, I and other professionals have found that "just" a ligature can make the difference between success and failure on something let's say as critical as the solo at the end of the first mvmt. of the Beethoven Pastorale Symphony.....not just whether it sounds a little more this way or that.
A frenzy of anything I agree is not a good state to be in - but if one calmly sits with 10 properly adjusted anythings - reeds, mouthpieces, clarinets - it's more likely than not that a couple of those items will stand out as feeling and sounding the most natural. And, as I've seen you post on many occasions, it is always of course a good idea to audition as many types of the equipment you're interesed in to achieve that goal, isn't it?
In that spirit, I have indeed tried several of the Vandoren Optimum and find them to muffle or dampen the vibration of the reed that I play - the V12 3.5. The object for me is to get the maximum vibration and resonance as possible from a reed for beauty of sound - which the properly adjusted Bonade does in spades. I know that this is not the object for some (which makes no sense to me) and they interpret a dullness or lack of resonance as generically "darker" and therefore preferable. The type of resonance I try to play with comes from a concept that I gleaned from my teacher - Robert Marcellus - who was in his time known as one that played with a very resonant, beautifully shaped sound indeed. It was and is still a misinterpretation to define his sound generically as "dark".
The dullness and lack of color in many a clarinetists sound today is I believe due in large part to this misinterpretation.
Does this help Angella?
Greg Smith
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Author: Roger Harvey
Date: 1999-08-20 11:51
I've bought two Bonade ligs in the last year, and both are perfect for me. At only $14 I think they're well worth a go.
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Author: HIROSHI
Date: 1999-08-20 18:31
1)I used a Leggerio and it played good,but as Daniel wrote it did not fit my Greg-Smith 1. It was too large.
2)Bonade inverted now I play came deformed when purchased.I put it with a sacrifice reed and a mouthpiece I do not play screws tightly shut for long time.This somewhat corrected its deformation.
3)I have a Wood-Stone inverted ligerture(gold plated).A small Japanese woodwind shop Ishimori makes them. They said to me it is designed for Vandoren coutour.Yes for my Greg-Smih Kasper style mouthpiece,my corrected ligature works better, But Japanese artisans are very good at making these small things.
4)In conclusion,every mouthpiece has its own contour and a ligature to fit it needs a special shape for it. I think so in these days.
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Author: Greg
Date: 1999-08-20 20:34
I personally have never had any problems with my Daniel Bonade inverted ligatures over the past 20 or so years fitting any mouthpiece properly. I've put them on every style and type of mouthpiece that I can imagine.
Perhaps this has something to do with a properly formed ligature in the first place? I don't know. The most that I have had to adjust the Bonade is either tighten or loosen the screws to fit different outside diameters of different mouthpieces. If the ligature binds, slips to one side, creeps upwards, etc. I imagine it has to do with the initial shape of the ligature being somewhat off. It has accomodated all sizes for me.
GregSmith
HIROSHI wrote:
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1)I used a Leggerio and it played good,but as Daniel wrote it did not fit my Greg-Smith 1. It was too large.
2)Bonade inverted now I play came deformed when purchased.I put it with a sacrifice reed and a mouthpiece I do not play screws tightly shut for long time.This somewhat corrected its deformation.
3)I have a Wood-Stone inverted ligerture(gold plated).A small Japanese woodwind shop Ishimori makes them. They said to me it is designed for Vandoren coutour.Yes for my Greg-Smih Kasper style mouthpiece,my corrected ligature works better, But Japanese artisans are very good at making these small things.
4)In conclusion,every mouthpiece has its own contour and a ligature to fit it needs a special shape for it. I think so in these days.
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Author: clarienet
Date: 2009-06-15 19:37
Ive tried to order one but NO ONE has ANY at ALL! :( They are like super rare. I've searched EVERYWHERE! This sucks. :(
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