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 Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2002-09-13 16:48

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=906329118

Found several of these on eBay. Brand name is Bestler. A quick Web search turns up this name associated with URLs like "cheapinstruments.com" and "fatlouieshornshop.com".

I found this picture amusing. Is this how students are taught to play them? Maybe this is why they have such a bad rep.

http://www.4bargaindepot.com/ebay/clarinet2.jpg

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2002-09-13 16:54

Who needs to do a Web search? Just search here for "Bestler" and you'd have your answer.

That picture is a kick!

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2002-09-13 16:57

Forgot to search the archives before posting. Give me a demerit.

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: GBK 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:12

The anagram of: "clarinet by Bestler" is: "lyric treble? absent!!" ...GBK

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Mark S. 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:15

Wow! I've been looking all over for one of those Bonade Inverted Rail Mouthpieces. Thanks for the tip!

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: William 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:37

The fact that the assembled clarinet picture showes the mouthpiece on backwards should be a tip off to the validity of the seller's claims. My advice, stay with the "big four"--Buffet, LeBlanc, Selmer or Yamaha. Unless you really just want to make a neat looking lamp or need another cattle prod.

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:45

I'm not buying -- I'm through with clarinet shopping for awhile after buying my Leblanc A -- but I was just curious.

After searching the archives, I see it's a VERY oft-maligned brand.

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 RE: An oft-maligned import?
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:49

Yes, probably, BUT, for $1 !! The case, lig and reed mught be worth the shipping!! A "marching" clar?? Don

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Vic 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:53

Wait a minute - I checked out that picture - are you saying that's NOT the way the mouthpiece fits? Maybe that's been the source of my problems all these years. I'll try rotating the mouthpiece 180 degrees to see if that helps. May be be onto something here. Rather surprised my instructor didn't point this out, but that's another thread entirely.

Lord, I hope everyone realizes that I'm joking.

...Vic

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Vic 
Date:   2002-09-13 17:59

Oops - just noticed that in my previous post I repeated the word, "be." Also, in another thread I actually mispelled the word, "clarinet." Unforgivable mistakes. I rather hope that someone with a Ph.D. in English, a professor at a major university, doesn't point all this out to me. I try to be careful with my posts, but when you're only an adjunct professor at a minor university, mistakes are going to slip by.

...Vic

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: ron b 
Date:   2002-09-13 18:32

No biggie, Professor Vic. It happens to the best of us :)
My wife, a high school English teacher who also teaches English as a Second Language (ESL) sometimes, while correcting spelling papers, has to stop, take a break - walk around the neighborhood or whatever - to re-collect her wits. Looking at words misspelled often enough, you begin to recognize them as 'correct'. Odd phenomenon... but, understandable nontheless.
By the way - no, the students are not marked down for misspelling; tests are used as tools to see where and how they need to improve.
...so they can be meaningful contributors to Bulletin Boards

:) :) :)

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Bob 
Date:   2002-09-13 18:49

Ralph...promise you won't buy another one??

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Bob 
Date:   2002-09-13 18:56

Interesting that you would make a reference to imports since most clarinets in the U.S. today are imported....aren't they?

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Mark S. 
Date:   2002-09-13 20:24

No, no, no, you all have it wrong. You put the mouthpiece in the mouth as you would expect, reed down, but you must wrap your hands all the way around the clarinet to play since the tone holes face your body. Makes for a much darker tone.

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2002-09-13 20:53

Hey, a lot of respected professional Clarinetists played the thing reed-up 'way back in the last century and beyond.

And Vic, that sounds fine to me. I've done some post-secondary teaching, but mostly in secondary school, so I guess I don't matter. Anyway, it doesn't even bother me now to see "misspelled" misspelled.

Regrads,
Jonh

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Ken 
Date:   2002-09-13 21:33

JMcAulay Wrote: "Anyway, it doesn't even bother me now to see "misspelled" misspelled."

--please JM! I don't think I can stomach another insulting literary "How To" novel by Ken Shaw. <:-(

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2002-09-13 22:19

It was a dark and stormy night....

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Fred 
Date:   2002-09-13 22:48

And just to correct the misconception created by the picture . . .

The clarinet IS assembled correctly. It is one of the new fingering systems for players that are all thumbs.

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: Vic 
Date:   2002-09-14 15:32

It was a dark and stormy night, and no matter how carefully I drafted my note, I still managed to misspell "misspell." My only excuse is that I don't teach English or grammar, but rather Organizational Theory and Behavior. Well, there's another excuse also - a good deal of laziness.

Thanks, JM, for pointing that out to me(Do you really spell your name "Jonh?"). But I would still love to see more of the latest Ken Shaw novel.

...Vic

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: ron b 
Date:   2002-09-14 19:36

Me, too... heh, heh :|
(sea whut i meen?)

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2002-09-16 01:54

Vic: No, not really. It was simply mispellled.

Ken: Actually, I liked Ken Shaw's diatribe. He's very good at it. It's axiomatic that most good editors must be excellent at that sort of thing when required. OTOH, a good editor can be an author's best friend. I have never even come close to threatening one with agonizing death unless changes were made without my review.

Ken Shaw, aka Bulwer-Lytton: Watch that, or someone may offer a poetic response.

Regards,
John

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 RE: Is this one of the oft-maligned imports?
Author: ken 
Date:   2002-09-18 01:29

JMcAulay wrote: "Ken: Actually, I liked Ken Shaw's diatribe. He's very good at it. It's axiomatic that most good editors must be excellent at that sort of thing when required. OTOH, a good editor can be an author's best friend. I have never even come close to threatening one with agonizing death unless changes were made without my review."

--I enjoy ALL of Ken Shaw's posts and have unbounded respect for him as a BBoard contributing clarinetist. To be perfectly candid, I had no problem with his lengthy but pithy retort to DRC's comments. What I DID take exception to was Ken arbitrarily and publicly disclosing the man's identity and listing his place of employment, title and bibliography. In my two years of visiting the BBoard I've never seen that before even in the most heated of debates and frankly, it took me off guard. Ken has a brilliant mind and it's strictly his own business but I just don't understand why he felt the need to slam the guy in this fashion just to drive home his point. Perhaps I'm an old rust bucket type, but I'll definitely think twice before exchanging personal emails with hard luck cases in the name of free and charitable advice. v/r KEN

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