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 Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2002-08-29 02:44

Maybe I've just missed the obvious, but I cannot recall ever having seen a photograph of a genuine pre-18th-century Chalumeau. Line drawings, yes. Pictures of "reproduction" instruments, yes. But not a "real" one. Does anyone know where one of those elusive little things might be located?

Thanks and regards,
John

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 RE: Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: diz 
Date:   2002-08-29 06:53

There is a French website - for the life of me I can't remember the URL - but it has pictures of clarinets from time imemorial (sp?). I think GBK pointed this one out to me ...

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 RE: Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: diz 
Date:   2002-08-29 06:54

Oh - sorry John, was for "faux" ancient or "genuine" ancient like you?

(ducks for cover)

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 RE: Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: Gnomon (Eoin McAuley) 
Date:   2002-08-29 12:50

I understood from reading Brymer's book that no-one in modern times has ever seen a real ancient Chalumeau. I don't think any of them survived, if they ever existed.

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 RE: Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2002-08-29 14:49

John -

There are some nice photos at http://jerselmer.free.fr/clarib/claribole.html. According to Al Rice on the Early Clarinet board, the identifications are not reliable, but it's still interesting.

Best regards.

Ken Shaw

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 RE: Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2002-08-29 19:51

Interesting ? John, Out of an abundance of curiousity, I looked in my "2500 [old] Historical Woodwind Insts" under Denner [other suggestions, please] which listed 4 2-brass-keyed Chalumeaux [Munich and Nurnberg {3}] with a footnote saying the 3 were "true clarinets" because of "flared bell". If I can find [and study] the pics [of display cases at a distance!] I took in Munich and look in the Deut. Museum Katalog [with my non-fluent German] maybe I can find something. A quick look shows one Sopran-Chalumeau [in C?]{Um 1700 etc] by Moeck # 79288, if you wish to pursue it!!!! If Al Rice doesn't respond to our ?'s, I suggest you ask for his expert help. Don

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 RE: Genuine ancient Chalumeau? Where?
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2002-09-16 00:51

Addition to an old thread: See http://www.clarinet.org/Research/Anthology/1961-03-Hunt.htm for some more references.

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