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Author: nahya^^
Date: 2002-08-22 22:25
a person by the alias of "Karel" have said that I am "compared to other people on this 'board, flooding it with questions."
is that so?
one or two threads per day, none for some days, and that's flooding this board?
and someone said something about me being overly agressive when an advice is given, but let me put it this way:
wouldn't you be REALLY REALLY annoyed and eventually become angry when i said that you are an excellent clarinet player like 50 times every time i see you? what i'm trying to say is that even when something is a good thing to say, saying it more than necessary is not better than not even saying it.
when several people told me to get a teacher at first, i really considered those advices and i really appreciated that. now change your perspective with mine, if you please: would you be more and more thankful when people keep telling you to get a teacher every time you post a question?
anyway, i sure do hope that no one else is flooding this board like i am cause i'm getting slapped every time i post something.
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Author: nahya^^
Date: 2002-08-22 22:45
Karel, I'm not saying that you're a bad person, or at least i think that way. i'm just kind of angry that too many people are replying my questions with answers that totally do not pertain to my question, such as "get a teacher."
I do appologize to you and to everyone to felt that i'm being disgraceful for your replies/advices. i just needed some answers before i get a teacher.
btw, Karel, thank you for your advice on the Sherman Friedland's Corner. I just went there and saw some nice points on ...stuff..
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Author: nahya^^
Date: 2002-08-22 22:50
my future teacher called me yesterday and said that there'll be no lessons before the school starts. there, i'll still need to ask you guys some things.
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-22 23:53
And how about some helpful advice to our young friend, Mr Arney - or is that too difficult to think about? It's far easier to keep typing "get off the kid's back".
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Author: nahya^^
Date: 2002-08-23 00:05
diz,
ummm... would that "helpful advice" be "get a teacher" perhaps?
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-23 00:30
of course it would! What else. Unless you happen to be prodigiously gifted and figure this all out by yourself, then the pure mechanics of playing an instrument cannot be taught by a book - let alone correct posture, breathing, sound production, the list goes on endlessly.
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Author: nahya^^
Date: 2002-08-23 01:14
um.. didn't um.. i um.. say that um.. i'm um.. already um.. getting um.. a teacher? um?
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Author: Jeff Forman
Date: 2002-08-23 02:04
I realize that this youngster is asking all the elementary questions that many of the people on this board want to scream when they see, because a teacher would run through this stuff automatically and in due course. But I like to see someone who has enthusiasm and wants to learn his way - the key is WANTS TO LEARN. So if the question irks you, don't answer it and let someone who is not irked give the kid an answer.
BTW, I remember my first clairinet lesson when I told my teacher that the first thing I needed was a lesson in anatomy - how do you put this thing together? I'm sure he cringed at that and thought - here we go, an adult who on w whim is going to make my life hell for two months before he drops out. But surprise, surprise. I wanted to learn to play, so I have (or I am learning). We all had questions, and when we didn't know the answers, the questions weren't dumb to us. Give the kid a break.
Jeff
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Author: Fred
Date: 2002-08-23 02:41
nahya^^, most of us can appreciate what a jungle it must be to be trying to figure out "clarinet things" on your own. If some posters seem a bit short with you, it's probably because they realize that you are trying to accomplish something that is practically "undoable" - and something that could actually create problems for you in the near future.
The best players I have ever been around are the ones that started out correctly by receiving instruction from a teacher and doing exactly what they were told. It is very hard to break bad habits once they are formed, and bad habits are what you are likely to pick up by trying to make it happen on your own.
You have enough drive to become a very good player. I suggest that you try your best to put your clarinet aside until school starts, and then pour your energy into doing exactly what your teacher tells you. We just don't want you to spoil your chances for having a great clarinet year by picking up bad habits now while you are unsupervised.
Good Luck . . . I think you'll do fine.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-08-23 02:48
From here, it looks like Jeff has said it very well. My understanding is that Nahya is enthusiastic to learn, has not yet connected with a teacher and in the interim wishes to glean what's possible via this board. Not the best of course, but better than nothing. We either wish to respond or we don't. In my meager experience there's nothing to be gained by anyone being gruff - to anyone.
Aren't most of us ready to patiently reassure newcomers and returnees? Don't most of us wish to dispel the notion that there's such a thing as a dumb question? People like Nahya that help me formulate explanations for others who are now coming alongside just like I was once upon a time, long, long ago.
The horn is not as mysterious to me now as it was then, but I haven't forgotten that it once was... have you?
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Author: msroboto
Date: 2002-08-23 03:04
Maybe I can put this in perspective for you. I played clarinet through elementary school, middle school, and high school. I played 1st clarinet in high school. I never had a real teacher. I attended band and played.
It is now 20 years later and I am a returning player. I now have a teacher and I can tell you that I NEVER knew how to play. My embouchure was wrong. My tonguing was wrong. Could breath better. My fingers are kind of wild and need to be tamed. Reed preparation was wrong. So I know the fingerings and I know most of my scales but technically I am a mess.
The only reason everybody harps on the get a teacher thing is that you run the risk of picking up bad habits. If you pick up enough bad habits it could take longer to undo the damage than to have learned it correctly from the beginning.
Keep asking questions. I think you might be better off to put down the horn and perhaps get one of the suggested books on clarineting and try to learn as much as you can. Woodwind.org has some good articles to read too.
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Author: James
Date: 2002-08-23 04:15
Personally I know the board is open to everyone but I would hope more of the masses of clarinetists would be talented/professions/well accomplished musicians. With that I would appreciate some more maturity in the way things are said. Even though I am teenage. I try not to make my posts too kidish. Thats from me. And yes, mark is in charge of this board. Do what he says.
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Author: Ilkka
Date: 2002-08-23 05:09
nahya, thank you for your questions. I am happy every morning when I open net and see you on this board. Question are always good, but as you see, answers are sometimes dumb.
I have never had a teacher in clarinet. I think we dont need them. I have not had a friend who plays cl, but a good friend may be very helpful. My joy in clarineting is to wander in this jungle. I am very pleased when I find a good guestion. And when i find the answer, the exitement disappears.
My sources are books borrowed from library, the internet, this board, music store people, things like that but never a payed teacher.
Have fun, nahya. Trust yourself. Make sound which you enjoy.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-23 11:26
Ilkka wrote:
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> My sources are books borrowed from library, the internet, this
> board, music store people, things like that but never a payed
> teacher.
The unfortunate part there, Ilkka, is you may be denying yourself some new pleasure.
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Author: David
Date: 2002-08-23 12:15
You do ask a lot of questions, but they don't hurt anyone, and they aren't stupid. I might have had to administer a smack if you'd asked advice on how to install a Nissan ZX300TT engine in a Maxima, but that would have been it.
If anything, it'll be bringing home to you that there's potentially a lifetime's learning about a tube with a squeaky thing at one end, some holes down the side and a bit of metalwork added to pretty it up.
Teachers know stuff. They'll get you over the basics and sort out a suitable reed / mouthpiece combo that'll make things a whole lot easier to play. Then you can get stuck into the real esoteric areas.
My breakthrough point was the school issue clarinet that came with a Boosey and Hawkes 593 mouthpiece, which was nothing special. After I'd got some idea of what the notes were and was still sporting that trademark "just starting on the clarinet" tone that we've all been through and been a little puzzled that it usually sounds nicer than that on CDs, one day the teacher said "Bin that and get a 926 mouthpiece."
Massive difference. (Relatively) big round lovely tone. I was stunned.
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-08-23 15:04
If one wants to be able to improvise fluently rather than just read music, I am convinced that he or she needs to spend a lot of time, preferably at an early, quick-learning age, just noodling and getting the intervals imprinted in the nervous system/fingers/brain rather than spending ALL of his/her time with Klose/Baermann. If this isn't done early enough in life, it becomes harder and harder to learn. Just like learning a language without an accent, it may be impossible after a certain age. Do any of the psychologists on the board agree? Disagree?
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Author: ~ jerry
Date: 2002-08-23 17:40
Ilkka wrote:
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> My sources are books borrowed from library, the internet, this
> board, music store people, things like that but never a payed
> teacher.
I fired my last teacher for telling me to stop reading books
(I'm too old to listen to that kind of advice from a Phd student), "...there's only one way to learn,...." the old fasion way.
However, I still believe that it's naive to think that the average person can learn everything about the CL from a book (all the Mozart types please stand) -- especially someone without a music background, like me and at my age -- I don't have that much time left.
So I am looking for a new teacher.
And, BTW does anyone know of a Flute BB? My daughter just had her 30 year old flute from HS band reconditioned, so that she can take flute lessons with her daughter who is 12 yrs. They are taking lessons at the same time from the same teacher -- I think that is SO cool.
~ jerry
Still in clarinet boot camp.
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Author: BeckyC
Date: 2002-08-23 19:39
I am not sure exactly how old you are Nahya. As I explained in my "how did you get started on the clarinet" post, I received my clarinet a whole year before I actrually tried to play it. I dreamed about it, I even opened up the case every now and then and looked at it. I even hate to admit that I may have tried to put it together once or twrice. ?
But even then I could not, would not, should not start with out proper instruction, and DEMONSTRATION.
Oh.....the bad habits that set in when they try on there own, something that with time and patience and much practice sounds so beautiful. I PERSONALLY......Nahya.......would wait for that teacher when school starts. Your time will come.
Don't stop reading all you can about the subject and Study some music theory. That is very important too, you know.
I have to admit that I have enjoyed your posts so far and your enthusiasm. It is never a BAD thing to asks questions. Just be careful with what you are trying to do with your new clarinet before you have someone to show you.
just my view,
Becky
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Author: BeckyC
Date: 2002-08-23 19:41
My gosh!! the typos.
Sorry about that. But You understand.
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