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Author: lily
Date: 2002-08-21 01:52
hey! when i remove the barrel and mouthpice of my clarinet and play, i am really sharp. can anyone tell me, an amature calrinettist how to flaten my tone?
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Author: jez
Date: 2002-08-21 02:07
lily,
if you remove the barrel and mouthpice you'll find that the only note available is E5. If you want to play anything flatter I suggest you put the other bits on
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-21 02:34
Sorry - but I laughed when I read this one - maybe I've just missed something here.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-21 02:48
diz...If you read the thread just above this one - titled "Urgent tuneing help" (sic) you can laugh again...GBK
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Author: DAD
Date: 2002-08-21 03:49
Hello list,
This is the dad butting in for his desperate daughter. Maybe I can better state her dilemma.
1) she feels that she is playing most notes too sharp, and pulling the barrel out from the top joint is not helping to flatten.
2) Her playing test is to play only the mouthpiece and barrel and to play F#. She is playing that sharper, G and above and is unable to achieve the F#.
I hope that I have stated this correctly. She is a second year player and just looking for some helpful advice.
Thanks
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Author: David
Date: 2002-08-21 14:09
Fugeddaboudit. Whoever's giving such a dumb test should be sent on a boat trip with Silvio Dante for making any pupil worry about it.
Try pulling the mouthpiece out of the barrel if it would help, or blowing with a very slack embouchure (mouthgrip on the mouthpiece).
If she actually fails what will henceforth be known as the "Duck Call Test", it can only be a very tiny percentage of any overall mark. Trust me. Once you add on all the extra bits, clarinets play like they should.
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-08-21 14:19
But they play much easier with a good embouchure, and this method helps build a good embouchure. It does, however, irritate small animals.
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Author: David
Date: 2002-08-21 14:46
It does, however, irritate small animals...
...until you despatch them in a hail of hot leaden death
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Author: joevacc
Date: 2002-08-21 15:31
David et al,
It also is a perfect way to demonstrate reed speed. I practice regularly with the mouthpiece alone striving to hit an altissimo D and am very consistent. I can also (most of the time) play a full major scale with just the mouthpiece.
The late Joe Allard taught most of these techniques. There is a video out called "The master Speaks" by Joe Allard (I am not exactly sure of the title. Please correct me people if you know.) that talks at length about the benefits of this sort of practice. My private teacher studied with Allard and is a proponent of his ideas.
I am very surprised that this is such a foreign concept here. I brought the idea up previously on the board and did not receive one knowledgeable reply about it.
It would be great if some of the teachers here could explain a) how they teach reed speed and b) how they determine the consistency of a students reed speed.
Best
-=[Joe Vacc]=-
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Author: David
Date: 2002-08-21 18:25
I have seen / heard notes done with the mp and barrel, usually by experienced people. Sax players also play notes with the neck. Easier than with a clarinet barrel, but they still get locked up...
I appreciate the skill involved, but haven't came across it as a teaching technique. It's not easy, and IMHO a kid, or any elementary student would be better encouraged working on making a nice noise with an entire clarinet.
(I didn't have any fanatical objections to it, other than it was causing the pupil more stress than necessary.)
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-08-21 20:35
For a good description of the concept (but without the clarianet barrel or sax neck), see the following link. It's an uncomplicated way of getting correct embouchure tension. Altho it's primarily directed toward sax, there is some c;arinet discussion.
http://www.saxontheweb.net/Coats/tone_production.html
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-08-21 20:37
Hey, the link works! I used up all my typos in the text and didn't make any in the link.
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Author: Kat
Date: 2002-08-22 15:07
Anyone ever see a Bulgarian player play on just the mp and barrel? They play tunes in amazingly fast weird rhythms. Try it in 11/16!
Ivo Papasov was the originator of this "trick," and most of the Bulgarian guys do it now too.
Katrina
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2002-08-23 18:07
Nany trumpet players exercise their embouchure with their mouthpieces without the horn and some teachers, like late Gordon, says "Why do that when you have a horn?" This seems reasonable to me.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2002-08-23 18:07
Many trumpet players exercise their embouchure with their mouthpieces without the horn and some teachers, like late Gordon, says "Why do that when you have a horn?" This seems reasonable to me.
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