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Author: JackOrion
Date: 2002-08-21 05:17
Check out the Buddy DeFranco site www.buddydefranco.com. What do ya think of that?
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-21 05:31
It's interesting - I wonder if Artie knows about their tinkerings ... I'd be "shat off" if it was me approval hadn't been sought.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-08-21 07:10
I agree, it's interesting, how one can manipulate reality using the wonders of modern technology, if one must, but why this? Artie stopped performing musically a long time ago. He left, via recordings, a wonderful legacy. That's that... or, so I thought :
This (defranco.com) development feels to me much like Nat King Cole's daughter singing along with her dad. Only problem is, in reality, Nat's been dead for a long, long time :|
Now Artie's playing music he never played and Nat's daughter is singing duets with a dead man. Besides being disrespectful, both of these developments give me the creeps.
What ever happened to good ol' fashioned talented young (and young at heart) musicians??? Do we have to 're-invent' the old ones in a lab now?
I think the worst thing that ever happened to music was the invention of the grammophone.
That's what I think of that.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-21 11:30
diz wrote:
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> It's interesting - I wonder if Artie knows about their
> tinkerings ... I'd be "shat off" if it was me approval hadn't
> been sought.
Look at the caption on the picture: "Buddy, Tom Ranier, Artie, and Joyce discuss the project over dinner."
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Author: Ken
Date: 2002-08-21 13:09
Interesting notion but not surprising...I'm not sure how I feel about this venture. It's one thing to play "karaoke" and drop additional tracks on top of the same song (i.e. Hank Williams Sr/Jr., Nat/Natalie, Liza/Judy) but it's quite another matter plucking isolated notes, melodies and riffs from totally different songs to make up a "new" one the artist never even played before?! From a purest standpoint many will no doubt find it questionable if not blasphemous and rightly so. As for musical integrity and originality, you can toss it out the window, from a marketing standpoint; it's the same old story, "if it smells it sells". I wouldn't yet be too critical until hopefully the public gets the whole story and/or true motivation behind the concept. The article itself was fragmented and focused primarily on the technical aspects, the arranger and engineers (hint, hint). It also didn't specify exactly what Buddy's role was going to be, if he was even going to play or just bankroll the recording.
Another marketing ploy? Possibly. If the project does make it to the shelves you can bet Artie and Buddy will be inundated with industry interview requests, phone calls, emails and letters...maybe then we'll know what the real deal is.
I know in my own case, I won't be buying a canned Artie Shaw CD anytime in the future. v/r KEN
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2002-08-21 13:42
Might as well just use a sampler and an electronic keyboard and call it an Artie Shaw performance.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-21 14:30
With a large enough pool of sound bites to choose from, practically anything can be newly created.
Personally, I'm waiting for "Bill Clinton reads from the Old Testament"...GBK
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Author: William
Date: 2002-08-21 15:36
How about Bill and Monica's New Testiment???
FWIW--I will never forget the time when Buddy DeFranco was the featured jazz artist at the Fox Lake, WI, Bunny Berigan Memorial Jazz Festival and was completely "blown away" by the opening act, local jazz clarinetist, Chuck Hedges, of Milwaukee. It was definately a case of Buddy having one of those "bad reed" days (for whatever reason) playing right after Chuck, who always performs "top notch" and seemingly, never misses a note. Chuck, BTW, has an international reputation of his own--playing with jazz greats such as the late Dick Reudebush (sp?) and "Wild Bill" Davidson--but is relatively "unknown" compared to Buddy. So, it was definately a case of the "underdog winning the match." And I was there--PRICELESS!!!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-21 16:06
William wrote:
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> How about Bill and Monica's New Testiment???
I like fire & brimstone better ...
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Author: E. Michael Blake
Date: 2002-08-21 17:38
I wonder if we're looking at a generational divide here, as far as whether this project would be considered acceptable. In this particular case I don't have any objections, since Shaw seems to be giving it his blessing. Also, the studio personnel all seem to be veteran old hands. But what they're actually doing looks to be an extension of what's referred to these days as "sampling".
Sampling seems to have arisen from the emergence of DJs at live events, cooking up dance mixes and whatnot from existing recordings. This entered the hip-hop realm in ways that struck me as plagiaristic, with for instance the rhythm track of Rick James' "Superfreak" being transplanted to MC Hammer's "Can't Touch This." (Not that I'm going to lose sleep over the artistic integrity of Rick James.) Now there are people trying to build careers--as artists, not just as studio techs--entirely from the splicing of sounds created by other people. As a bona fide geezer, I'm against this, because to me genuine creativity should be encouraged, honored, and protected, and sampling struck me as much more of an onslaught to music careers than Napster. But what does the under-30 crowd think? Do the people who grew up with sampling as part of the musical landscape have the same indignation about this that I have?
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-08-21 17:44
The Gramophone was bad for music? Not sure I can agree with that, but digital remastering (or mastering) sure can result in weird things. Several years ago, CBC television presented a program called "The Symphony Sessions," featuring David Foster on piano with the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra. I liked the program well enough to buy the CD. What a surprise. One of the selections on the CD is seamlessly missing one measure that was included in the music on the TV show. With repeated sections, a digital editor can miss one without a blink.
C'mon, folks, let Artie make a few coins. If you personally hate the idea, fear not. No one will hold a gun to your head and force you to listen. (Well, it's extremely improbable, anyway.)
Nice thread. How interesting to discover that some people are actually more crotchety than I am.
Regards,
John
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Author: VK
Date: 2002-08-21 18:19
My impression is that few people on the planet are as crotchety as Artie Shaw himself, so if he's involved and approves, I don't see the problem. And I'm a crotchety old geezer myself. Of course "crotchety" is nothing new for AS - he was just as crotchety sixty-some years ago. I just wish he'd not hung up his horn back in 1955 or whenever it was - think of what else he might have accomplished!
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Author: JackOrion
Date: 2002-08-21 20:06
I'm looking forward to it. I live about a mile from Newport and am thinking of contacting the producers for what ever reasons. I see it as a modern movement for modern times. People must have thought Glenn Gould was off his rocker when he went out and recorded nature, and public sounds. For what purpose he did this, I have no idea. The only thing that scares me is what kind of arrangements are they going to use? There lies the problem. I'm not a big fan of Buddy's more recent recordings because the sound is a tad GRPish: electric bass, souped up drums ect. the same reason I don't listen to much Eddie Daniels.
The next step will be to clone Artie or have the Virtual Artie Shaw holigram tour.
Personaly I would love to sit down and create a solo out of numerous solo's that Artie has played. I'll be trying to pick out where certain phrases came from, thats for sure.
BTW has anyone seen the DeFranco clarinet excercise book?
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-08-21 21:50
JackOrion: I have one and have tried to extol its virtues on the BB, while some have rumbled that no one can learn to play jazz out of a book. Of course not. One learns to play jazz by playing jazz. But proper etudes can't hurt.
And I do agree that "GRPing" can pretty much destroy an otherwise nice recording. I once bought a David Benoit CD that was so over-percussioned it was sad. Guess what label.
Regards,
John
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Author: TDC
Date: 2002-08-27 22:53
I'm sorry for you but the only player who ever "blew away" Buddy De Franco was Art Tatum. And Buddy was the only clarinetist ever to have guts enough to record with Tatum. Buddy said it was like running after a train. Incidentally, it's a great recording.
TDC
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