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Author: Victor
Date: 2002-08-16 02:40
Does Haydn's symphony no.92 'Oxford' have clarinet parts? Thanks in advance.
~Victor
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Author: susannah
Date: 2002-08-16 03:38
do any of Haydns symphonies have clarinet parts?
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Author: BG
Date: 2002-08-16 03:55
Upon consulting my reference book, Orchestral Music, by David Daniels, Third Edition, 1996, it shows no clarinets used by Haydn until his Symphony 99, 100, 101, 103, and 104. Each one of those symphonies used only 2 clarinets. I hope that helps you.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-16 06:11
Not all of the above mentioned five Haydn symphonies use clarinets in all movements.
Symphony #103 uses clarinets (in Bb) in the 1st and 4th movements, and Symphony #100 uses clarinets (in C) in only the 2nd movement ...GBK
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-08-16 13:37
GBK -
Clarinets in some but not all movements suggests that other wind players switched off. Do the movements in #100 and #103 where clarinets play lack oboe or flute parts?
Ken Shaw
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-16 14:25
Ken...Interesting theory which I hadn't considered as to why clarinets are only in certain movements of #100 and #103.
In these cases though, clarinets are merely added to the already existing wind section of flute (flutes), oboes, and bassoons.
I've never read anything explaining why the lack of clarinets in certain movements.
More importantly, I wonder if the clarinetists received full pay for their services, or were paid by the movement.
I would guess it depended on how strong their union was...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-16 14:46
Ken...Forgot to add:
I do have my own personal theory as to why clarinets appear in only selected movements in 2 of Haydn's late symphonies.
My educated (or probably uneducated) guess is that since individual movements of late 18th century and early 19th century symphonies were sometimes performed by themselves on longer major programs as a variety factor for audiences, Haydn's use of clarinets in certain movements made these two symphonies more "marketable" to the few orchestras fortunate enough to employ (or own) clarinets, or converesely, orchestras without clarinetists could perform the selected movements without them.
Purely speculation on my part. Any thoughts?...GBK
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-08-16 21:31
GBK -
Sounds reasonable, though that wouldn't explain how the movements with clarinets made it into the published editions, for which all the movements were presumably sent to the publisher together.
Another mystery. Maybe Dan Leeson on the Klarinet board would have some ideas. I'm not sure he's signed on right now, but I'll post the question.
Ken Shaw
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-18 23:15
Remembering that clarinets were still a novelty in 18th century orchestras - you only need think of Mozart's famous remark about clarinets to understand that he was inspired by their sound and excited to be able to use them.
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